(February 10, 2016 at 5:14 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(February 9, 2016 at 3:29 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: is killing equivalent to murder?
Yes.
Quote:when a person is put to death by the justice system because of his/her crimes against humanity is that murder or justice?
That would be murder.
Quote:What is the just punishment for a murderer?
Justice, like morality, is a human concept that is subjective to the scenario, culture, etc. There is no objectively "just" punishment for murder, though incarceration is certainly more human than the death penalty and does more or less the same job.
Quote:God explicitly says that murder it wrong,
Yeah, and then he orders the Israelites to kill other nations in droves. That never struck you as odd?
Quote:rape is wrong
Technically the Bible doesn't say that.
Quote:therefor genocide is wrong.
Not only does that logic not follow, but religiously-motivated genocide is condoned and celebrated in the Bible, especially the Old Testament.
Quote: He also says to that he does treat a person unfairly based on race, sex, class et cetera.
Wow...language is really starting to fail you, isn't it?
I think I understand what your'e saying, and no, the Bible is anything but an egalitarian document. It condones the purchase and use of slaves from foreign nations, it treats women as property rather than people, and it places both slaves and women in a class that is distinctly below and submissive to free, Jewish men. That is not a message of classless equality.
Quote:God own everything and person and the only reason anyone of use exist it because of His will.
Prove it.
Quote:He is so merciful and slow to anger He will allow you to speak lies about him and hasn't taken you out.
Maybe that's because he doesn't exist.
Quote: He allowed me to blaspheme his name and has forgiven me.
Maybe that's because he doesn't exist.
Quote:Also it takes more power and self-control to do what is necessary and right no matter your feelings on the matter.
Self control? You mean like when he allegedly raged out and destroyed virtually every living thing on Earth?
Quote:To have all power doesn't mean you use it in every situation. If you have ever observed a wise person who is full of knowledge they are not always letting everyone know how much they know. He set aside what He could do, which would be wiping all human kind out because we are all corrupt in our thinking and actions.
He set aside the wiping out of humanity? How so? One of his first acts as Gaud was to nearly annihilate life on Earth in a global flood. That's hardly setting aside the wiping out of humanity.
Quote:In order to redeem people from every nation, language, class, and tongue. So, that people may understand who He is and how wonderful and loving He was to step off his throne. To make himself of no reputation so that He may live a life like ours and die a death that we deserve. God is not evil but one that is both just and merciful. Lies about Him are of no help to the one who rejects Him. They will not aid them when judgement comes but it takes humility to see God for who He truly is. He is both amazing and good and will send his wrath against those who cling to their evil ways.
Seeing Gaud takes imagination, not humility.
If you believe that justice is a human concept then murder is just another form of death. In your view of reality murder would be no more wrong than dying in your sleep, and only frowned upon because of people's opinions. This would also be the case with rape and genocide. Since justice, as you view it, has no true grounds in your view of reality then rape is a form of sex and genocide just another way to die. It will only be deplorable because of the opinion of people at that time. So then when you judge God you are not expressing a fact, but only an opinion which is a product of your background and culture. So you may have felt differently if you lived in a different place or time.
What is also a human concept is your description of God. It is easy to dislike and disapprove of your gaud because it is a total fallacy. Or as you would call it a straw man. The problem for you is that this lie will not save you when God makes His judgment. None of us can stand behind any lie we have told ourselves about God. The only thing that will save us from God's just judgment is in the sacrifice Jesus made for our sins. He paid the price in order that we may be saved from destruction and to a right and loving relationship with God.
As for how God owns everything. Someone set everything in motion. Someone set up the laws of nature and even if you don't agree the moral law as well. These things were setup to reflect God's attributes and highlight our depravity and brokenness. Every living organism has a system by which it functions. There is order to the world around us and we have to capacity to decipher our world. This is not the working of random chance but of God's intimate work in creation. Your worldview has no explanation that is congruent with reality in regards to life or morality. No one has definitively proven in a scientific fashion how life was started. Your world view can not give value for life or morality. All of your rage against God falls flat because you can't give an argument that stands up to reality.
Lastly I addressed slavery in this thread, I believe I also spoke on slavery but I can't find the link. Still, based on what you have stated about your view of justice slavery and rape's lack of merit is only based on human concepts. Based on your worldview your negative view on slavery has no more merit then anyone who views it positively.
