The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Rekeisha]

If you believe that justice is a human concept then murder is just another form of death. In your view of reality murder would be no more wrong than dying in your sleep, and only frowned upon because of people's opinions.

Bingo. Communal morality only exists because people generally frown upon certain actions. What's the problem?

This would also be the case with rape and genocide.

Yeah, pretty much. You might think your morality comes from a higher source, but no. Christian morality exists because Christians frown on certain actions, and their guideline for doing that happens to be the Bible. It's still human-sourced morality, just like mine. You just don't realize it because you think your imaginary friend is involved.

Since justice, as you view it, has no true grounds in your view of reality

That's not what I said, and you can't put words in my mouth. Justice is a human concept, but that doesn't mean it has no grounds in reality.

then rape is a form of sex and genocide just another way to die. It will only be deplorable because of the opinion of people at that time.

Yup. You've got it. Because of the suffering involved in those forms of sex and death, humans have generally decided that those things aren't acceptable behavior. We don't need imaginary sky friends to establish that, and we don't need to believe in magic.

So then when you judge God you are not expressing a fact, but only an opinion which is a product of your background and culture. So you may have felt differently if you lived in a different place or time.

You're probably right. In fact, at another time in my life, I did feel differently. I believed more or less the same garbage you do. Now I've grown past that.

What is also a human concept is your description of God. It is easy to dislike and disapprove of your gaud because it is a total fallacy. Or as you would call it a straw man.

My "description" of Gaud is drawn from the pages of the Bible, and from Christian doctrine.

The problem for you is that this lie will not save you when God makes His judgment. None of us can stand behind any lie we have told ourselves about God. The only thing that will save us from God's just judgment is in the sacrifice Jesus made for our sins. He paid the price in order that we may be saved from destruction and to a right and loving relationship with God.

Prove it.

As for how God owns everything. Someone set everything in motion.

Prove it.

Someone set up the laws of nature and even if you don't agree the moral law as well.

Prove it.

These things were setup to reflect God's attributes and highlight our depravity and brokenness.

Prove it.

Every living organism has a system by which it functions.  There is order to the world around us and we have to capacity to decipher our world.

For once, I totally agree.

This is not the working of random chance but of God's intimate work in creation.

That I don't agree with. That you will have to prove.

Your worldview has no explanation that is congruent with reality in regards to life or morality.

Quite the contrary. You're the one with an unrealistic world view.

No one has definitively proven in a scientific fashion how life was started.

And yet you propose to tell me that ancient peoples, in their infinite wisdom and scientific acumen, did know how life started? Please.

Your world view can not give value for life or morality.

I've already explained why that isn't true and why life and morality are valuable, but I'm sure you were too busy spouting Bible nonsense to pay any attention to what I said.

All of your rage against God falls flat because you can't give an argument that stands up to reality.

Says the woman who has failed to refute anything I've presented.

Lastly I addressed slavery in this thread, I believe I also spoke on slavery but I can't find the link. Still, based on what you have stated about your view of justice slavery and rape's lack of merit is only based on human concepts. Based on your worldview your negative view on slavery has no more merit then anyone who views it positively.

That really depends on how we're measuring merit. Considering the current global attitude toward slavery, anti-slavery sentiments could be considered more meritorious than pro-slavery ones for a number of practical, objective reasons (like, say, not wanting to be ostracized by society or arrested for slave mongering).


So yes, human concepts can have more or less merit than other human concepts. Your Gaud, for instance, is a human concept, and as a concept he has significantly less merit than pretty much any other concept you could name.

How can you ask me for proof when you believe that life came out of random chance? (I am not dodging your questions but if we don't start with your presuppositions I don't think we will get anywhere with my proofs.) God has made the world. He set up laws of nature which are predictable.  Yet if this world was made out of chaos I believe there would be a continued display from chaos. If this is the case then we could not assume that the past would like the future. So the idea of proof only works when there is a ordained order set up and kept up by a being who has a purpose.  So I guess were to start is back to the beginning. What are your view of the origins of the world? If you would please oblige me because I believe you have touched on this subject but a clear and concise statement will help me truly understand what you think about how the world came about.

If justice has grounds in reality that means that it is not a human concept.  Godzilla is a human concept but it does not reflect reality. Either justice is real and does not end with the Human mind or it is just as imaginary as Godzilla. Since I am asking about your genesis of the world would you please explain your views on the origin of morality?