The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Redbeard The Pink]

How can you ask me for proof when you believe that life came out of random chance? (I am not dodging your questions but if we don't start with your presuppositions I don't think we will get anywhere with my proofs.)

First off, I don't believe life came out of random chance. Life came out of chemistry and time. I suppose chance played a role, but life was probably inevitable considering that it seems to be a natural product of the Universe and its behavior.

 God has made the world.

*Sigh*...Prove it. You can't refuse to prove any of your claims and then go making yet more claims which must yet be proven before they can be assumed to be true.

He set up laws of nature which are predictable.

While I acknowledge that nature is predictable and that we're able to describe it with natural laws, there is no evidence to support the notion that your Gaud was necessary for that to happen. Quite the contrary, in fact.

 Yet if this world was made out of chaos I believe there would be a continued display from chaos.

Goody for what you believe. I believe in drawing conclusions from evidence.

If this is the case then we could not assume that the past would like the future.

You don't know that. Maybe we could. How can you draw that kind of conclusion from a hypothetical situation? Now you're just making up rules as you go along.

So the idea of proof only works when there is a ordained order set up and kept up by a being who has a purpose.

No. The idea of proof also works in a Universe that behaves consistently and was created by no one.

  So I guess were to start is back to the beginning. What are your view of the origins of the world? If you would please oblige me because I believe you have touched on this subject but a clear and concise statement will help me truly understand what you think about how the world came about.

Technically that doesn't matter, since my view on the origins of the world have nothing to do with whether any evidence exists for yours. As for how planets form, I'm told that has to do with energy slowing, cooling, and forming into stars, rocks, and other kinds of matter. That's probably a vast oversimplification, but at least it's borne out by evidence.

If justice has grounds in reality that means that it is not a human concept.

Upon what evidence is that assertion based?

 Godzilla is a human concept but it does not reflect reality.

Actually, Godzilla was based directly on the destruction of the Atomic Bomb, and that's why he was such an effective cinematic tool in Japan. Godzilla is a direct reflection of the reality of what Japan suffered in World War II. Way to not know what you're talking about. Again.

Either justice is real and does not end with the Human mind or it is just as imaginary as Godzilla.

Your argument is based on the unsupported assertion that human concepts have no basis in reality.


Love is a human concept, and it's based on the reality of our social interactions and how we feel about each other and about things.


Science is a human concept, and it's based on the reality of how the Universe behaves and the consistency with which it behaves.


Justice is a human concept, and it's based on the reality that humans collectively wish to cooperate with each other and remove those who selfishly threaten the herd.


Most human concepts, in fact, have some basis in reality. Your Gaud, for instance, is based on the reality that ancient peoples had no way of explaining or understanding weather events, disease, or really much of anything.

Since I am asking about your genesis of the world would you please explain your views on the origin of morality?

We've been over this. Empathy. It all boils down to the Golden Rule. We're a social species, and morality is an evolved trait that helps us cooperate and survive. We can recognize when we don't want something to happen to us, and we're able to reason out that if we wouldn't want something done to us, we shouldn't do it to others. This is the social contract that keeps society from disintegrating. Your Gaud is not needed to explain it.