(March 2, 2011 at 5:11 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Sorry VOID I've lost the thread of our discussion there. Your dismissal of Divine Simplicity is completely lacking in detail. ie I can't consider it.
The general idea of Divine simplicity is that God is without parts and that he does not 'have' attributes but 'is' those attributes, this being 'simple' is in contrast to information theory where each piece of datum is a part of the data. Knowledge is data (a collection of parts) that is true. For God to have all knowledge requires he has complete data, and since data is a sum of parts, an omniscient being has/is in his consciousness all true datum, that is one hell of a lot of parts to have/be - Thus, Divine simplicity is nullified by information theory.
When examining the two proposed causes (sC) of the first state of affairs of the universe (sU) we can see that the sC involving an omniscient deity necessarily is one that requires having/being more "parts" than that of the naturalist sC, thus it is the explanation that requires more information to describe and the subsequently the PRIOR probability of sC being an omniscient deity is much lower than the sC of naturalism.
From this point evidence must be used to raise or lower then probabilities of either sC being true given the evidence we have available, and seeing as you freely admit we have ZERO evidence for the existence of an omniscient deity the probability of a naturalist sC is far higher than the probability of an omniscient sC, thus, we should prefer the explanation naturalist sC.
Quote:@ VOID : I don't see how you're concluding, with the other two here, that an atemporal entity and a physical being would occupy the same space. Are you using science to draw that conclusion? It seems illogical to me.
Not science, reason, it's a philosophical question, not a scientific one.
Omnipresence requires it, for God to be everywhere ("where" being necessarily spatial) requires he be in all space.
The impression I have is that God is everywhere and everywhen yet he is not temporally or spatially afflicted by either, time and space do not change the state of affairs that God is - would you agree?
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