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A good reason not to believe in God
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RE: A good reason not to believe in God
(March 2, 2011 at 5:11 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: @ Scarlet: I'm tired of our dance. I have no idea where you're going and have lost interest in following you around this particular may pole.
Me too! Is it because I asked you to make an argument? Which you still have failed to do.
theVOID Wrote:1. Black swan fallacy, we know of no acausal actions taken by actors, that does not necessitate there are none, you could make an effective bayesian argument from this, or an argument from best explanation (specifically in terms of consistency with background knowledge) but you cannot necessitate this is the case.
2. There are acausal quantum effects (to the best of our scientific understanding).
3. Necessitates that time always existed, this is contrary to our best scientific understandings.
I am sure the words could be strengthened to better make the argument, I indicated it is only backed up by all of reality and therefore I should have stuck probably in there. But to get a debate going, which apparently is a dance around a may pole, it would be quite nice to hear how this atemporal frozen god can act.

On the other points you raise. I am not sure what you mean by acausal quantum effects. We know for example virtual particle pairs appear and disappear, but there appearance is still caused by instability in the vaccuum, and the disapperance caused by anhilation with each other. I'm not sure why I would need need to claim time always existed?

"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.
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A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - February 17, 2011 at 11:02 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by KichigaiNeko - February 17, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - February 18, 2011 at 8:11 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by everythingafter - February 24, 2011 at 5:53 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by padraic - February 18, 2011 at 8:52 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - February 18, 2011 at 9:23 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Ryft - February 19, 2011 at 3:14 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - February 19, 2011 at 7:40 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by reverendjeremiah - February 21, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 19, 2011 at 8:24 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - February 19, 2011 at 8:43 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Rayaan - February 19, 2011 at 8:47 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - February 19, 2011 at 9:16 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 19, 2011 at 8:54 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - February 19, 2011 at 9:36 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 20, 2011 at 7:30 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Justtristo - February 19, 2011 at 9:04 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Ryft - February 19, 2011 at 9:20 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 2, 2011 at 9:41 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by padraic - February 19, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by reverendjeremiah - February 20, 2011 at 3:26 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by downbeatplumb - February 20, 2011 at 8:42 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by reverendjeremiah - February 21, 2011 at 2:23 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 21, 2011 at 4:06 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by reverendjeremiah - February 24, 2011 at 6:25 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Ryft - February 23, 2011 at 3:10 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 25, 2011 at 11:17 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Captain Scarlet - February 25, 2011 at 11:54 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 25, 2011 at 12:45 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 25, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by downbeatplumb - February 25, 2011 at 1:00 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Captain Scarlet - February 25, 2011 at 1:02 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by reverendjeremiah - February 25, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 25, 2011 at 12:58 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 25, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 25, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 26, 2011 at 5:21 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by reverendjeremiah - February 26, 2011 at 10:52 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Captain Scarlet - February 27, 2011 at 2:57 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 27, 2011 at 8:04 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 27, 2011 at 2:11 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Captain Scarlet - February 28, 2011 at 2:38 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by reverendjeremiah - February 27, 2011 at 7:15 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Captain Scarlet - February 26, 2011 at 12:01 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Minimalist - February 25, 2011 at 3:27 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by reverendjeremiah - February 26, 2011 at 12:53 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 27, 2011 at 2:59 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by downbeatplumb - February 27, 2011 at 9:34 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 27, 2011 at 11:28 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 27, 2011 at 2:15 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 28, 2011 at 5:54 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Captain Scarlet - February 28, 2011 at 10:01 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2011 at 6:38 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2011 at 10:06 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 28, 2011 at 2:15 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Anomalocaris - February 28, 2011 at 4:39 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - February 28, 2011 at 4:36 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - February 28, 2011 at 5:11 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 1, 2011 at 5:27 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 1, 2011 at 2:05 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 2, 2011 at 9:23 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 2, 2011 at 3:29 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 1, 2011 at 3:44 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 1, 2011 at 5:21 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by BlackUnicorn - March 2, 2011 at 10:05 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - March 2, 2011 at 10:06 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by BlackUnicorn - March 2, 2011 at 10:19 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 2, 2011 at 11:13 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - March 2, 2011 at 10:45 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by BlackUnicorn - March 2, 2011 at 10:55 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 2, 2011 at 5:11 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 2, 2011 at 6:12 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Captain Scarlet - March 3, 2011 at 12:00 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2011 at 5:33 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Minimalist - March 3, 2011 at 12:01 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 3, 2011 at 3:35 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 2, 2011 at 7:33 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 2, 2011 at 7:59 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 2, 2011 at 8:12 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 2, 2011 at 8:32 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 4, 2011 at 4:19 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 4, 2011 at 8:34 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 4, 2011 at 9:21 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 4, 2011 at 9:42 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - March 4, 2011 at 12:21 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 4, 2011 at 1:31 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 4, 2011 at 2:20 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 4, 2011 at 2:22 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 5, 2011 at 3:09 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 5, 2011 at 11:45 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Edwardo Piet - March 6, 2011 at 10:42 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 4, 2011 at 7:51 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 4, 2011 at 8:56 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 4, 2011 at 11:23 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Rayaan - March 4, 2011 at 9:03 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 5, 2011 at 5:17 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 5, 2011 at 7:38 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Rayaan - March 5, 2011 at 6:57 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 5, 2011 at 9:24 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by Minimalist - March 6, 2011 at 12:16 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 6, 2011 at 6:34 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by theVOID - March 6, 2011 at 6:52 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 6, 2011 at 7:49 am
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 6, 2011 at 12:11 pm
RE: A good reason not to believe in God - by fr0d0 - March 6, 2011 at 3:24 pm

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