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Could atheist westerners, please explain?
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RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain?
There are different approaches to secularism; the Soviets condemned Zionism for example and they were initially reluctant to allow Soviet Jews to travel to Israel. The problem is Christian eschatology; and to be clear many of these Christians are selfish (i.e. majority of U.S. Republicans) and don't actually care about even Israel as it happens, let alone Palestine. They just want to see Jesus come back because they allowed the fulfilling of Biblical prophecy and some even believe that Jesus will kill all of the remaining Jews when he comes back (because they are not Christian). And they will stop at nothing to make sure the world plays out as their Bible says. If enough people are working towards fulfilling prophecy (and they have the incentive on then being able to say: The Bible was right about this) then chances are it will happen.

That's why the Gulf Cooperation Council are competing to build the tallest buildings. There is a Hadith which says the Arabs will compete to build tall structures so they have the incentive to build tall structures. They want to be able to say: "Muhammad was right all along".

Many people (secularists) support Palestine. Obviously you don't want to live under Hadith inspired Sharia. You can forget about Nancy Ajram if the Salafi/Twelvers/Wahaabis come to power.

So what's your alternative to secularism? I happen to think that theocracy would be worse for Palestine, especially Christian  theocracy, as that it was led to the Crusades (European royalty, even in the U.K. today, is often seen as getting their power from god). Jews have co-existed just fine in Arabia before even the time of Muhammad; it's only recently that it's become a problem. And it's because of the selfish Christians and Salafis/Wahaabis/Twelvers playing people against each other for personal gain that it's become a problem.

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Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 19, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - February 19, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 21, 2016 at 3:18 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 21, 2016 at 3:56 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by LastPoet - February 19, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by AFTT47 - February 19, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Gawdzilla - February 19, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Nay_Sayer - February 19, 2016 at 4:38 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 19, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 19, 2016 at 4:06 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by brewer - February 19, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by pocaracas - February 19, 2016 at 5:29 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Minimalist - February 19, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Crossless1 - February 19, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by brewer - February 19, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by ignoramus - February 19, 2016 at 7:49 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 23, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 23, 2016 at 4:41 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Pat Mustard - February 24, 2016 at 10:12 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 20, 2016 at 3:27 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 21, 2016 at 4:12 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 21, 2016 at 4:19 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 21, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Cato - February 21, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by J a c k - February 21, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 23, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by pocaracas - February 23, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 23, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 23, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 24, 2016 at 1:30 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 25, 2016 at 7:06 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Ben Davis - February 26, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by RobbyPants - February 24, 2016 at 8:55 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 9:15 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Ben Davis - February 24, 2016 at 9:25 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 9:29 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Joods - February 24, 2016 at 11:16 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 12:17 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 26, 2016 at 1:12 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by ReptilianPeon - February 26, 2016 at 4:07 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 26, 2016 at 7:37 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by pocaracas - February 26, 2016 at 8:25 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - February 26, 2016 at 9:10 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Ben Davis - February 29, 2016 at 9:59 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 26, 2016 at 9:50 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 26, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Ben Davis - February 26, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Crossless1 - February 26, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 26, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by ignoramus - February 28, 2016 at 2:40 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 26, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - February 26, 2016 at 9:18 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - February 26, 2016 at 9:30 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Joods - February 26, 2016 at 11:51 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by The Valkyrie - February 27, 2016 at 12:42 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by scoobysnack - February 27, 2016 at 12:59 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 27, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Pat Mustard - February 27, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 28, 2016 at 2:36 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 27, 2016 at 6:37 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 27, 2016 at 5:42 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 2:11 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 2:32 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 2:38 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by ignoramus - February 28, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 4:04 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by pocaracas - February 28, 2016 at 4:30 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 29, 2016 at 8:41 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 29, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 29, 2016 at 8:39 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 29, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 29, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Cato - February 29, 2016 at 7:10 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Brian37 - February 29, 2016 at 8:02 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 1, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 1, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 1, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 1, 2016 at 12:02 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 10:20 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 2, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 2, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 2, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 1, 2016 at 11:27 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 12:05 pm

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