Natural Order and Science

[robvalue]

If you're trying to use philosophy to demonstrate objective facts about reality, then you are going to fail. And fail hard. It has to be combined with the scientific method, or else you're off in an abstract simplified model of reality, with no confirmation that anything you "learn" from that model has any bearing on reality.

Reducing reality to simple rules like, "everything needs a cause" is just making a massive unfounded assumption. "In my experience things have needed a cause" is what the person is actually saying, and is then trying to extrapolate that to all of reality, including reality itself. This is garbage, and it's why this kind of thing never produces any meaningful results. What use is it?

To me, the useful parts of philosophy come down to:

1) Logic
2) Morality
3) Pragmatism