Could atheist westerners, please explain?

[Ben Davis]

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Really, rob?
Let's wait, and observe Orwell's 84 as it come true day by day, I like your choice of words; "forward". We're half way there btw, towards the "forward" you speak about. 84, in its best.

Anyhow, I said in my comment:

The idea of secularism itself, is denying me my right to rule with religion, even if the majority was by my side.

So tell me again how you couldn't see this bold, red word?

"If"; I think; is a conditional statement. So no worries; my religion won't be favored or even counted if the majority was by your side.  In sura 2, scroll to verse 256, so my God is forbidding me from forcing my faith on you, like you force your faith on me. Saying that secularism is the only way, is actually, a form of forcing a concept upon me.

But what you're saying is that, even "if" I had the majority by my side, I have no right to rule with Islam ??
So, it is true& possible that secularism & democracy can contradict each other.

Your speech about civilization reminds me with this piece of work:





So, seculars are the keepers of peace now?
No. Religion is just replaced with other labels like nationalism, capitalism & communism, but the bloodshed? believe secularism isn't even close from solving that.

"They have things like the ATOM BOMB !"

Bless you, Andrew Sisters & Danny.

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Since rob doesn't want to talk, how about responding to my challenges on the subject?