RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain?
February 27, 2016 at 5:42 pm
(This post was last modified: February 27, 2016 at 5:50 pm by WinterHold.)
Wyrd of gawd
Not at all, it has a noble idea.
It exposes the so lovely, not savage civilized people, living in the civilized world.
Pocaracas
In an ideal, inhumane world, yes, anarchy could work. But humans proved to be tribal beyond believe, all alliances that crossed race fell, either in the ancient world or in nowadays, the soviet union was the last, though. America too, looks like it is heading to the same abyss.
Then we have the behavior. Humans too, proved how ready they are to jump at others & commit the worst kinds of atrocities in order to fetch an interest. "Shoot first, talk later" was always the way.
I don't side with secularism, because humans cannot be controlled, many tried and failed.
That truth will stay there, and generations would still pass by it, neglecting how history went. There will always be difference. At least between believers and non-believers.
I do believe though, secularism is better than some other systems; which reward difference with murder and capital punishments.
So, enforcing the idea -even if it was better than some other systems- is actually a type of tyranny, that one has the right to reject if it began to touch their safety and freedom of thought . Seecularism worked for the west -to some extent-, but it squashed the Middle East. We -Middle Easterns- were the farm that many seculars used to fuel their machine; from our blood that is, the west & secularism have grown. Evidence is on my side. And noting allowed that, but the many holes in the secular system.
Scoobysnack
No, it was the British arsenal; My kin probably thought that the reflection of the European advanced artillery that were given to the Zionists as a form of charity is an angel of some kind.
You should guess that I don't believe you, or agree with you. Just a piece of informative advice: the invaders of Palestine (who were known with names like the Haganah), were ghetto-dwelling criminals, who fought for survival and fought for a promised treasure (promised by Zionist/British propaganda; of course), they didn't smell money for decades, the rich among them hated them (like Herzl; the founder of Zionism); so...it was very tempting to loot the Arabs out of their olive trees, out of their fine lovely land, out of their history, out of their cash income, and out of their heritage.
Jews didn't win; the British empire already had the land (remember WW1? Ottoman defeat?? British taking over Palestine ???) Zionist only suppressed the Arab revolts, nothing more, nothing less.
yep; Falafel is an Arab meal BTW. Ask around for its origin. One t
The only thing I agree with you on is the existence of God.
I shouldn't waste my time and write this comment to you, but I know how religious societies (even Muslim societies) can brainwash the heads of their followers with lies. I smell a wahhabi...sorry, Christian Zionist smell in your ideas.
But please, can you list to me the main reasons, you think Zionists are favored over Arabs/Muslims ?
Constable dorfl
I doubt that you can "slap me" in real life. I agree to take slaps though, from "certain people"; probably you are not one of them; sorry, your gender is the issue.
Though, Islam offers freedom of religion to all humans, I mean I always cite "Sura 2, Verse 256", and the opposing side always ignores.
Again I repeat: secularism is full of flaws, and is a forced ideology -which means its a premitive ideology-, while Islam -which is an advanced ideology- promises everybody with the freedom of belief. How? read that verse.
To see the difference, if somebody doesn't want Islam, he/she is totally free to refuse and reject its laws, while if somebody was to refuse and reject secular laws, they would be prosecuted. And when seculars play together, stuff like WW2 happen.
It's very ironic to ignore the bombing of Dresden, when the allied seculars, burned their fellow civilian seculars, just beccause they were German. Stories say, that the people who took shelter below, melted and their fats and blood made a mess that is felt inches thick on the ground, from the incendiary bombs of the British and the Americans. Btw the royal airforce knew, that dresden held no strategic value, and that it was filled with civilians..
If you did that to your fellow seculars, what the hell would you do to believers?
Oh..yah..we saw in Iraq.
Not at all, it has a noble idea.
It exposes the so lovely, not savage civilized people, living in the civilized world.
Pocaracas
In an ideal, inhumane world, yes, anarchy could work. But humans proved to be tribal beyond believe, all alliances that crossed race fell, either in the ancient world or in nowadays, the soviet union was the last, though. America too, looks like it is heading to the same abyss.
Then we have the behavior. Humans too, proved how ready they are to jump at others & commit the worst kinds of atrocities in order to fetch an interest. "Shoot first, talk later" was always the way.
I don't side with secularism, because humans cannot be controlled, many tried and failed.
That truth will stay there, and generations would still pass by it, neglecting how history went. There will always be difference. At least between believers and non-believers.
I do believe though, secularism is better than some other systems; which reward difference with murder and capital punishments.
So, enforcing the idea -even if it was better than some other systems- is actually a type of tyranny, that one has the right to reject if it began to touch their safety and freedom of thought . Seecularism worked for the west -to some extent-, but it squashed the Middle East. We -Middle Easterns- were the farm that many seculars used to fuel their machine; from our blood that is, the west & secularism have grown. Evidence is on my side. And noting allowed that, but the many holes in the secular system.
Scoobysnack
No, it was the British arsenal; My kin probably thought that the reflection of the European advanced artillery that were given to the Zionists as a form of charity is an angel of some kind.
You should guess that I don't believe you, or agree with you. Just a piece of informative advice: the invaders of Palestine (who were known with names like the Haganah), were ghetto-dwelling criminals, who fought for survival and fought for a promised treasure (promised by Zionist/British propaganda; of course), they didn't smell money for decades, the rich among them hated them (like Herzl; the founder of Zionism); so...it was very tempting to loot the Arabs out of their olive trees, out of their fine lovely land, out of their history, out of their cash income, and out of their heritage.
Jews didn't win; the British empire already had the land (remember WW1? Ottoman defeat?? British taking over Palestine ???) Zionist only suppressed the Arab revolts, nothing more, nothing less.
yep; Falafel is an Arab meal BTW. Ask around for its origin. One t
The only thing I agree with you on is the existence of God.
I shouldn't waste my time and write this comment to you, but I know how religious societies (even Muslim societies) can brainwash the heads of their followers with lies. I smell a wahhabi...sorry, Christian Zionist smell in your ideas.
But please, can you list to me the main reasons, you think Zionists are favored over Arabs/Muslims ?
Constable dorfl
I doubt that you can "slap me" in real life. I agree to take slaps though, from "certain people"; probably you are not one of them; sorry, your gender is the issue.
Though, Islam offers freedom of religion to all humans, I mean I always cite "Sura 2, Verse 256", and the opposing side always ignores.
Again I repeat: secularism is full of flaws, and is a forced ideology -which means its a premitive ideology-, while Islam -which is an advanced ideology- promises everybody with the freedom of belief. How? read that verse.
To see the difference, if somebody doesn't want Islam, he/she is totally free to refuse and reject its laws, while if somebody was to refuse and reject secular laws, they would be prosecuted. And when seculars play together, stuff like WW2 happen.
It's very ironic to ignore the bombing of Dresden, when the allied seculars, burned their fellow civilian seculars, just beccause they were German. Stories say, that the people who took shelter below, melted and their fats and blood made a mess that is felt inches thick on the ground, from the incendiary bombs of the British and the Americans. Btw the royal airforce knew, that dresden held no strategic value, and that it was filled with civilians..
If you did that to your fellow seculars, what the hell would you do to believers?
Oh..yah..we saw in Iraq.
