Wait, the Desden firebombing wasn't the natural result of two industrialized powers clawing for supremacy and falling into barbaric acts as a result of their quest for power, but because the countries were secular instead of theocratic?!?
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Dude, seriously. You obviously need to read Slaughterhouse Five by one of the greatest, most outspoken secular humanists (atheists) who ever lived, Kurt Vonnegut, who just happened to have lived through that firebombing by being in a subterranean cooling room for a slaughterhouse, and emerged into the blackened "moonscape" (his word) afterward, if you think any of us think that's okay.
We're also well-aware of the oil politics involved in the western powers' decision to meddle in the Middle East throughout the 20th century and into this one. We don't support the actions of Zionists, seeing it as religious evil no different from anything the radical Muslims do in the name of their religious leaders' interpretation of the requirements-of-the-truly-faithful.
All secular means, in terms of government, is that no religious group gets to use their ideology to set the laws of that nation, and cannot use the power of government to support (or hinder) the religious activities of the free people in that society. Nothing else. The fact that you divide the world into "seculars" and "believers" is genuinely horrifying to me.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Dude, seriously. You obviously need to read Slaughterhouse Five by one of the greatest, most outspoken secular humanists (atheists) who ever lived, Kurt Vonnegut, who just happened to have lived through that firebombing by being in a subterranean cooling room for a slaughterhouse, and emerged into the blackened "moonscape" (his word) afterward, if you think any of us think that's okay.
We're also well-aware of the oil politics involved in the western powers' decision to meddle in the Middle East throughout the 20th century and into this one. We don't support the actions of Zionists, seeing it as religious evil no different from anything the radical Muslims do in the name of their religious leaders' interpretation of the requirements-of-the-truly-faithful.
All secular means, in terms of government, is that no religious group gets to use their ideology to set the laws of that nation, and cannot use the power of government to support (or hinder) the religious activities of the free people in that society. Nothing else. The fact that you divide the world into "seculars" and "believers" is genuinely horrifying to me.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
