MrNoMorePropaganda
Palestine is just another drop in the ocean, discussing it in a context that is custom made and limited to the issue, doesn't mean that other conflicts and miseries are forgotten. Caring must be global, nationalism divide us.
Gulf countries are outside the domain of humanity. The society in Saudi Arabia -for example- shows obvious signs of hatred, racism and greed, to insane levels, the typical "refugees will steal our jobs and eat our food" excuse is so on fire there, the treasure has caused many there, to lose their minds. Nothing good can be expected from the sykes-picot puppets after all.
My theory is that losing the way is an inevitable consequence for human-made laws. Our physical inventions fall with the passing of time, our abstract constructs fall, too. The U.S "had" to lose its way, I would've felt strange if didn't. A human trait, that is.
America was a great idea. Integrating races together, melting borders and producing a safe haven for immigrants, but it was built on the skulls and bones of others, natives. My heart also goes to those who got suffocated under the boots of contradiction and double standards. And yes, I can't argue they were all "seculars"; many were Christians acting based on religious ideas.
Don't count the Sauds as believers, they are irreligious
They started to leave wahhabism behind btw, because people in the kingdom stopped buying the wahhabi trash. Actually, I believe that the locals are falling more and more into atheism. It might cheer you up, but it makes me despise wahhabism more and more. But it still is a taboo to say it in public.
The kafalah system is nothing more than slavery, literally, I tasted the bitterness of this system once, it's slavery. I agree, MNMP: the west would not have gained domination over the third world -and the Middle East in precise- without the aid of local leaders; people like the Sauds, the Tehran Shias, the military SCAF in Egypt, and so on.
If you ask me, I would sacrifice the space programs of NASA and the USSR thousand times, if that would erase ICBM from history.
Quote:The entire Third World is suffering, so why is it only Palestine people get emotional over? Yeah, it's very bad in Palestine, but there are billions more suffering. People in my country, I understand that many struggle to find sympathy because there are some who suffer here too; every time I see a beggar it reminds of the broken system that we have.
But they need to understand, obviously, that their suffering is nothing compared to the Third World. I agree, more has to be done, even though the odds are stacked against us. At least Europe has been willing to resettle some refugees though. Gulf Cooperation Council is richer than many European Union countries, but they continue to do very little, and they don't have much to say on Palestine either, as far as I'm aware.
The United States continues to support those Fascist dictators because it has certainly lost its way. Today if you tell them Jesus was once a refugee and that he was from "Brown Land", their heads will explode. On the Statue of Liberty there are the lines of the poem The New Colossus:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
It makes me think of all of the people making the dangerous trip across the Mediterranean. I cry every time I see those words. I stand with you, opposed to all of this foolish oppression. It makes me angry too. But there people that need to be blamed are not some random "Atheist Westerners".
Atheists are oppressed too, especially in the Third World, but even in some rich countries. There are some states in the United States that ban Atheists from public office (even though it's against the constitution). But that's nothing compared to the Third world, because at least they're allowed to live. Atheists get killed and beaten down all the time in the Third World. Like that Nigerian man who was sent to a mental asylum simply because he did not want to believe, or those Bangladeshi bloggers who were decapitated.
We Atheists value life because we don't know what will happen when we die. This may be the only life. No reincarnation or afterlife. Why would we life this life to the full if there is an afterlife? al-Saud must think Palestine is not worth fighting for because they'll go to Jannah anyway.
There are people who think just like that, even if al-Saud doesn't. Like those Christian who say that we should not look after the environment because, they say, "only got can change the climate, so it's not the fault of the humans". People have been waiting for the End Times for centuries, and they keep convincing themselves: "It's this time for sure".
It is very saddening that the the Third World is in the state that it's in. And it's very easy to forget about that when we have all of these luxuries. I try my best to educate friends and family, and indeed members of this forum, because it's the least that I can do. But, sadly, there is no big appetite for change and people are quite happy to go along with the exploitation of exploitation of the Third World.
If you look at the Gulf, they are much more wasteful than many Western countries. Dubai is full of vanity projects, and Saudi even tried to sabotage the Paris Climate Talks. And they both refuse to let go of the evil Kafalah System, which exploits Third World people. That is how little they care about the Third World. All of the resources spent on their vanity projects could put to better use quenching the thirst of the Third World. It's not just the fault of "the West".
Remember, we are united against imperialism, the forces of al-Saud and those of the Twelve Imams at least. I am not going to dispute the verses that you showed me. I see no point.
It is fairly obvious nukes were used against Japan to try and impress the Soviets and nothing else. The Allies were wining the war, and it ended up killing more people, I suspect, than if they make it to the shore of Honshu. Nuclear fission can be force for good in the fight against climate change, even if the Manhattan Project mostly resulted in bad things.
What I said was that research usually has unintended benefits. They used ICBMs to put humans into space initially. Niel Armstrong took his first trip into space on an ICBM. The technology has evolved obviously, but they helped to start the Space Race because some people had the bright idea of replacing the warhead with a capsule for human transportation.
That's I have for now.
Palestine is just another drop in the ocean, discussing it in a context that is custom made and limited to the issue, doesn't mean that other conflicts and miseries are forgotten. Caring must be global, nationalism divide us.
Gulf countries are outside the domain of humanity. The society in Saudi Arabia -for example- shows obvious signs of hatred, racism and greed, to insane levels, the typical "refugees will steal our jobs and eat our food" excuse is so on fire there, the treasure has caused many there, to lose their minds. Nothing good can be expected from the sykes-picot puppets after all.
My theory is that losing the way is an inevitable consequence for human-made laws. Our physical inventions fall with the passing of time, our abstract constructs fall, too. The U.S "had" to lose its way, I would've felt strange if didn't. A human trait, that is.
America was a great idea. Integrating races together, melting borders and producing a safe haven for immigrants, but it was built on the skulls and bones of others, natives. My heart also goes to those who got suffocated under the boots of contradiction and double standards. And yes, I can't argue they were all "seculars"; many were Christians acting based on religious ideas.
Don't count the Sauds as believers, they are irreligious
They started to leave wahhabism behind btw, because people in the kingdom stopped buying the wahhabi trash. Actually, I believe that the locals are falling more and more into atheism. It might cheer you up, but it makes me despise wahhabism more and more. But it still is a taboo to say it in public.
The kafalah system is nothing more than slavery, literally, I tasted the bitterness of this system once, it's slavery. I agree, MNMP: the west would not have gained domination over the third world -and the Middle East in precise- without the aid of local leaders; people like the Sauds, the Tehran Shias, the military SCAF in Egypt, and so on.
If you ask me, I would sacrifice the space programs of NASA and the USSR thousand times, if that would erase ICBM from history.
