(February 28, 2016 at 10:28 am)Rhythm Wrote: Nukes weren't used to impress the soviets, lol. They were used to prevent further loss of american lives to a competent and dedicated enemy. Island hopping was a meat grinder. Every island we hit was exponentially worse than the one before it as the defenders became more and more desperate to stall us..towards the end they were throwing civilians and suicide bombers at us. We suffered just about the same number of casualties as dropping those bombs in the island hopping to get within range. Iwo Jima and Okinawa are the reason we dropped those bombs, ultimately. The idea of a mainland ainvasion without first softening them up, when we had air superiority, would have been ludicrous. The plan was -always- to bomb the shit out of them once we had a suitable airstrip. No american president, at that time and with those years in recent memory, could have justified not using the new bombs. The first one didn't work for a variety of reasons that might seem ludicrous to us today, and japan didn't call it quits over casualties caused by either bomb in any case. They were prepared to suffer those sorts of losses and already had, it was the asymmetry of casualties from those bombs that sapped their will to fight. The second drove the point home and saved -both- nations from further island hopping. Have a little respect for the gravity of the situation and decision for all involved.......impressing the soviets ffs?
For reference, the bomb that hit Nagasaki caused half as many direct casualties as the assault on Iwo Jima. The assault on Okinawa caused more direct casualties than both bombs combined. Japan, by itself, lost three times as many men in the island hopping campaign as they did with the bombings. If we wanted to talk about heinous shit, "losing our way" in WW2, the fire bombings of dresden and tokyo are better examples. Rambling idiots fixate on the a-bombs because they desperately need a point of focus around which to rally while they cry for the blood of the great satan.
For God's sake Rhythm, everybody knows that there was no need to drop the Fat Man.
The U.S emerged as a super-power afterwards, so you can guess that it was a pretty smart -very evil; but smart- idea to nuke the poor Japanese; and identify the U.S as the new supreme Nuclear Power.
Do you really think, that American decision makers, didn't conclude that the USSR is next after Hitler?
These bombs make no sense, unless you consider the above.