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Could atheist westerners, please explain?
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain?
(March 1, 2016 at 7:31 am)Rhythm Wrote: Isn't that, itself, a naive call for utopia?  I think the people who you would plead with to "put the labels on the back burner" might remind you that you're advocating for your own label -over- theirs in doing so.

No, I am not delusional. If you look at where most of the planet was in antiquity, which was mostly local and tribal, vs how the west is more pluralistic and more civil, it is not unrealistic to foster a long term attitude. I don't fool myself into thinking there will be a day in a perfectly civil world. But we can and should do as much as we can to promote a more civil world.

Not at all, humans are always going to group, that is what we do, and we will always to some degree have different ideas as to how t move forward. I am saying that our species is allowing some of these ideas to get so political that it sucks resources away from REAL problems that are affecting the entire planet. Nobody wins in a scorched earth Mexican standoff.

My issue isn't creating a godless utopia either, we most certainly do not live in a perfect world. But "us vs them" still does not change that evolution PROVES we are not a separate species, and as much as we love setting up social pecking orders and love to have our particular label on top, it still does not matter. 

Theocracies and one party states reflect the dark side of our species evolution. While the west is not transgression free, it still to me reflects our species evolutionary empathy, that cooperation, not force, is a better way governance.
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Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 19, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - February 19, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 21, 2016 at 3:18 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 21, 2016 at 3:56 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by LastPoet - February 19, 2016 at 2:58 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by AFTT47 - February 19, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Gawdzilla - February 19, 2016 at 3:10 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Nay_Sayer - February 19, 2016 at 4:38 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 19, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 19, 2016 at 4:06 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by brewer - February 19, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by pocaracas - February 19, 2016 at 5:29 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Minimalist - February 19, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Crossless1 - February 19, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by brewer - February 19, 2016 at 8:00 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by ignoramus - February 19, 2016 at 7:49 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 23, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 23, 2016 at 4:41 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Pat Mustard - February 24, 2016 at 10:12 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 20, 2016 at 3:27 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 21, 2016 at 4:12 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 21, 2016 at 4:19 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 21, 2016 at 4:20 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Cato - February 21, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by J a c k - February 21, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 21, 2016 at 2:35 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 23, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by pocaracas - February 23, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 23, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 23, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 24, 2016 at 1:30 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 25, 2016 at 7:06 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Ben Davis - February 26, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by RobbyPants - February 24, 2016 at 8:55 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 9:15 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Ben Davis - February 24, 2016 at 9:25 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 9:29 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Joods - February 24, 2016 at 11:16 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 24, 2016 at 12:17 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 26, 2016 at 1:12 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 26, 2016 at 7:37 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by pocaracas - February 26, 2016 at 8:25 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - February 26, 2016 at 9:10 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Ben Davis - February 29, 2016 at 9:59 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 26, 2016 at 9:50 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 26, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Ben Davis - February 26, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Crossless1 - February 26, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 26, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by ignoramus - February 28, 2016 at 2:40 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 26, 2016 at 11:09 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - February 26, 2016 at 9:18 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - February 26, 2016 at 9:30 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Joods - February 26, 2016 at 11:51 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by The Valkyrie - February 27, 2016 at 12:42 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by scoobysnack - February 27, 2016 at 12:59 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 27, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Pat Mustard - February 27, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 28, 2016 at 2:36 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 27, 2016 at 6:37 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 27, 2016 at 5:42 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 2:11 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 2:32 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 2:38 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 2:50 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by ignoramus - February 28, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 4:04 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by pocaracas - February 28, 2016 at 4:30 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 29, 2016 at 8:41 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 29, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 28, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by WinterHold - February 29, 2016 at 8:39 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 29, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by robvalue - February 29, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Cato - February 29, 2016 at 7:10 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Brian37 - February 29, 2016 at 8:02 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Brian37 - March 1, 2016 at 7:44 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 1, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 1, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 1, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 1, 2016 at 12:02 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 10:20 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 2, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 2, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 10:40 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 2, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 12:45 pm
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by Drich - March 1, 2016 at 11:27 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Could atheist westerners, please explain? - by abaris - March 2, 2016 at 12:05 pm

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