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Free will and humans
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RE: Free will and humans
The way I see it, free will is an illusion.
It looks like we have the freedom to make our choices.... but... hypothetically, if it was possible to make some choice and then go back to exactly the same conditions as before that choice was made..... would you ever choose differently?
e.g.
You're at a store, tons of different yogurt flavors available.... you choose ?... strawberry.
Time rewinds, you're back at that store, the dairy aisle, which flavor will you choose? Remember, you have no memory of your previous choice, time rewound and your experience of it too.

The brain is a physical system... a rather complex system, but physical and, as such, deterministic. You will always choose strawberry, because you are hardwired to choose strawberry. That hard-wiring is time-dependent, so you may choose differently at another time, with different memories and experiences... but, for the same memories and experiences, the same tastes, the same shelves, the same advertisement.... you will always pick strawberry.

There is a conscious decision to go for strawberry, you actively consider all your options, the prices, etc... you feel like you are choosing... and you are... but you will always pick strawberry.

Of what use would be a brain if it knew that it was deterministic? not too much... so evolution didn't select for that particular trait. Science, however... seems to be cruel and gives us these nuggets of intellectualism... I know I do not freely choose things... but I act as if I do choose them all the same, because I must... otherwise, I'm dead.
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Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 3:43 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Silver - March 7, 2016 at 3:46 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2016 at 3:55 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 4:18 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 7, 2016 at 5:06 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 5:17 am
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 4:22 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Silver - March 7, 2016 at 4:22 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 4:28 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Silver - March 7, 2016 at 4:34 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 5:38 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 5:42 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 5:43 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 5:45 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 5:48 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 5:53 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 5:55 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 6:17 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 6:20 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 6:24 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 6:25 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 6:50 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ignoramus - March 7, 2016 at 6:51 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 6:54 am
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 6:57 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 7:06 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ignoramus - March 7, 2016 at 7:10 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 7:14 am
RE: Free will and humans - by pocaracas - March 7, 2016 at 7:32 am
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 7:40 am
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 9:03 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 11:22 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 12:34 pm
Free will and humans - by LadyForCamus - March 7, 2016 at 11:54 am
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 12:02 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 12:18 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 3:28 pm
Free will and humans - by LadyForCamus - March 7, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 9:48 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 12:52 pm
Free will and humans - by LadyForCamus - March 7, 2016 at 1:05 pm
Free will and humans - by LadyForCamus - March 7, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 1:08 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 9:41 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 9:53 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Kiekeben - March 7, 2016 at 10:08 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 11:26 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 7, 2016 at 11:33 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Angrboda - March 8, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 9, 2016 at 6:59 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Angrboda - March 9, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Kiekeben - March 8, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Whateverist - March 15, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Kiekeben - March 15, 2016 at 10:38 pm
Free will and humans - by LadyForCamus - March 7, 2016 at 10:34 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 7, 2016 at 10:58 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 9, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 9, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 9, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 9, 2016 at 1:11 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 9, 2016 at 1:14 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Angrboda - March 9, 2016 at 2:30 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 9, 2016 at 9:52 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by comet - March 9, 2016 at 9:16 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 9, 2016 at 9:53 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 9, 2016 at 10:27 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 9, 2016 at 11:06 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 9, 2016 at 11:11 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 10, 2016 at 12:11 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 1:08 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 10, 2016 at 9:14 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 1:02 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 10, 2016 at 8:06 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 9:34 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 10, 2016 at 11:32 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 5:23 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 11, 2016 at 8:22 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 11, 2016 at 7:28 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 12, 2016 at 8:39 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 12, 2016 at 9:16 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 12, 2016 at 10:12 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 12, 2016 at 10:33 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Jehanne - March 12, 2016 at 1:59 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 9, 2016 at 10:57 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 9, 2016 at 11:03 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Losty - March 10, 2016 at 1:42 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 2:14 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 1:11 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 1:33 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 1:35 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Losty - March 10, 2016 at 1:56 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 2:04 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Losty - March 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 1:42 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 2:05 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by KevinM1 - March 10, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 2:09 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by KevinM1 - March 10, 2016 at 2:11 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by KevinM1 - March 10, 2016 at 2:16 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by KevinM1 - March 10, 2016 at 2:21 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by comet - March 10, 2016 at 8:18 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by KevinM1 - March 10, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 2:13 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Angrboda - March 10, 2016 at 8:24 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 9:36 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by KevinM1 - March 11, 2016 at 2:16 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Free will and humans - by KevinM1 - March 11, 2016 at 12:02 pm
Free will and humans - by LadyForCamus - March 10, 2016 at 9:35 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 10, 2016 at 9:39 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Whateverist - March 11, 2016 at 12:50 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Whateverist - March 11, 2016 at 12:48 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 10:18 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Little lunch - March 11, 2016 at 12:10 am
RE: Free will and humans - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 11, 2016 at 5:33 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 5:49 am
RE: Free will and humans - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 11, 2016 at 6:03 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Angrboda - March 11, 2016 at 8:59 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Angrboda - March 11, 2016 at 11:07 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Angrboda - March 11, 2016 at 11:27 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 11:32 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Whateverist - March 11, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 11, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 11:25 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 11, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 11, 2016 at 11:45 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 11, 2016 at 10:20 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by comet - March 11, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Redbeard The Pink - March 12, 2016 at 10:51 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Panatheist - March 12, 2016 at 4:22 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by IATIA - March 16, 2016 at 12:26 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 16, 2016 at 5:06 am
RE: Free will and humans - by IATIA - March 16, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Free will and humans - by truth_seeker - March 16, 2016 at 3:55 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by IATIA - March 16, 2016 at 6:25 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by truth_seeker - March 17, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 16, 2016 at 5:44 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 16, 2016 at 8:03 am
RE: Free will and humans - by Little lunch - March 16, 2016 at 6:59 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 16, 2016 at 8:07 am
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 16, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 16, 2016 at 8:21 am
RE: Free will and humans - by robvalue - March 16, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Free will and humans - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 16, 2016 at 9:12 am
RE: Free will and humans - by IATIA - March 17, 2016 at 10:23 am
RE: Free will and humans - by truth_seeker - March 17, 2016 at 10:32 am
RE: Free will and humans - by IATIA - March 17, 2016 at 1:09 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by truth_seeker - March 17, 2016 at 1:29 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by IATIA - March 17, 2016 at 1:52 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by truth_seeker - March 17, 2016 at 2:11 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by The Grand Nudger - March 17, 2016 at 2:39 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by truth_seeker - March 17, 2016 at 7:58 pm
RE: Free will and humans - by Mudhammam - March 18, 2016 at 1:09 am
RE: Free will and humans - by IATIA - March 18, 2016 at 2:19 am

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