RE: Overthrowing oppressive regimes by military force
March 11, 2016 at 5:33 am
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2016 at 6:57 am by Aractus.)
(March 11, 2016 at 1:13 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: The NaZis weren't elected to govern. They had to form a coalition to do so ... as you yourself pointed out earlier in this thread.
So? They were elected to govern with a junior coalition partner. Which is what they did until the parliament voted more than 80% in favour of giving the NAZIs total rule. You can't argue with that. You also can't argue with the fact that previous Chancellors that were appointed represented parties that were much smaller (i.e. half the size or less of the Nazis in Jan 1933). One Chancellor in fact didn't represent any party! And he still issued "rule by decree" to avoid parliament.
(March 11, 2016 at 1:26 am)Minimalist Wrote: I suspect the major point of the whole discussion is that if you are going to overthrow an "oppressive" regime you should have a plan to replace it with something better.
Seems to me that is the point where the US always goes down the shitter.
No my point is that's not how you get a better government. Meaningful change must come from within. If it's forced then it's doomed for failure. As I've mentioned in the other thread this is exactly why Obamacare is doomed to fail - not because it's bad, but because it doesn't have the support of the voters. If voters overwhelmingly supported it then the Republicans couldn't touch it or it would be political suicide.
(March 10, 2016 at 3:13 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'm sure he knows a professor who thinks this is wrong, because the Australians didn't write the list.
I'll raise this with him and get back to you. He told me unequivocally that Hitler had a seat in the Reichstag. But now we (or rather I) know he didn't that just makes present USA even more similar to Hitler: Trump has never had a parliamentary seat, and Cruz is a first term senator (correct?) And just like Hitler they're at the extreme right of domestic politics.
And by the way, I'm 32 I'm due to be wrong about something by now.
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
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