You Can't Disprove a Miracle

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You Can't Disprove a Miracle

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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle

March 11, 2016 at 11:09 am

You have to define what a miracle is. A miracle is an event which is beyond the productive capacity of the natural causes which exist at the time and place of the occurrence of the event.

Probability theory dictates that we not only weigh the probability of the event being a miracle, but compare it to the event being a result of naturalistic causes and the probability of the evidence given the two alternatives. The lower the probability of naturalistic causes, the greater the probability the event was a miracle.

Mary recovering from a pneumonia = low probability of being a miracle/high probability or naturalistic causes = very low probability of being a miracle.
A paralyzed man from birth getting up an walking at the instant someone tells him to = low probability of being a miracle/even lower probability of naturalistic causes = a high probability of being a miracle.

So, if an event takes place and it is beyond the productive capacity of natural causes, how can you say with certainty it is not a miracle? You would have to make (and successfully defend) the claim there is nothing beyond naturalistic causes (nothing supernatural).

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You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Rhondazvous - March 8, 2016 at 10:49 am

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Drich - March 8, 2016 at 10:58 am

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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Brian37 - March 10, 2016 at 1:42 pm

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Minimalist - March 8, 2016 at 11:32 am

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by vorlon13 - March 8, 2016 at 11:39 am

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by abaris - March 8, 2016 at 12:16 pm

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Rhondazvous - March 10, 2016 at 9:01 am

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Ivan Denisovich - March 8, 2016 at 2:26 pm

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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Old Baby - March 8, 2016 at 4:45 pm

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by FebruaryOfReason - March 8, 2016 at 4:50 pm

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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Brian37 - March 8, 2016 at 5:48 pm

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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Brian37 - March 8, 2016 at 6:00 pm

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 8, 2016 at 6:43 pm

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Drich - March 10, 2016 at 11:58 am

RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 8, 2016 at 6:42 pm

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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by SteveII - March 11, 2016 at 11:09 am

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