God Became a Mirage

[Edwardo Piet]

What is God? You say you don't believe in it, so what is it that you don't believe in?

Any supernatural creator of the universe. That is what I design as God.

I also don't believe in ANYTHING supernatural but that is actually by definition a slightly separate point from my atheism I think...

I could technically believe in supernatural fairies for example and still be considered atheist techinally...if I still don't believe in God....

But I haven't met many atheists that believe in fairies but not God! Usually because if they reject something like God they'll very probably reject fairies or angels or whatever...

But its technically possible because they are not God's by the conventional definition, or at least the one I mean - Supernatural CREATOR. Not simply supernatural...

I do not believe in anything else supernatural either. But my atheism is specifically about not believing in a supernatural CREATOR; i.e - A God.

OK, so in your opinion, what I hear you to be saying is that God, defined as a supernatural creator of the universe, does not exist. I'm not saying I disagree, but I'd like to see how far this rabbit hole goes. Would you say that God, defined as a supernatural creator of the universe cannot exist?

No I would not. I would be claiming absolute knowledge which I don't have access do to say he ABSOLUTELY cannot exist. I would say he almost certainly cannot.....and if he comes in future (which I also see as almost infinitely improbable) then by definition he would not be a God at least by my eyes....because God would be there at the start.. God is not created he is a creator...a supernatural creator.

I would say God almost certainly doesn't exist and almost certainly cannot. But I would say they are the same thing because I he exists or he doesn't....

I understand with your idea of us becoming God by becoming one with God - but that is not the definition of God I am using.

By my definition God =a Supernatural creator...he created the universe so he cannot be created...he is the creator.

God is supposed to have made the universe and God is supposed to have ultimately made man...either by just started off the universe and life or whatever and giving rise to man...or by directly creating him like in Genesis.

So God is supposed to have made man...not man made God.

If man made God then by my definition its not a God - its something else, be it supernatural or natural or whatever...paranormal...what you consider to be an anomaly that 'most people' don't know about but you sense it or whatever...

Because by my definition it would not be a God because what I mean by God is the supernatural creator of the universe...if its not a supernatural creator its not God the way I see it at least.

I believe all there is is nature.

Me too. I don't believe there is anything supernatural...I don't believe there is any SUPER-Nature as it were...its all natural, all nature, everything IMO.

Wouldn't that be atheism? There is no god, there is only nature.

Well generally speaking atheists certainly I think...tend to[i/] not believe in ANYTHING supernatural...but its the supernatural CREATOR - the "God" part - that defines atheism...

So its technically possible to find someone who believes in ghosts, leprechauns, souls, angels, fairies and demons I think....who doesn't believe in God and is therefore still by definition an atheist...albeit a weird and very rare one - but still an atheist. if you found someone who believed that they'd still be an atheist if they don't believe in God.

That's if you definite atheism as not believing in God as in [i]a supernatural creator of the universe anyway.

Or are you going to tell me that atheists don't believe nature exists?

No lol...atheists don't believe in a supernatural creator by definition, that is all. Everything else is optional...belief or non-belief in nature or whatsoever.

Although I don't see how atheist could not believe in nature! They believe things exist....and they don't believe God exists - who is supernatural - what would they think everything else IS if its not nature? Lol.

I haven't met an atheist who doesn't believe in nature...I don't see how that's possible because what would they think it is otherwise? They could call it something else but if they believe in ANYTHING and don't believe that thing is supernatural, but natural then they believe in nature lol!

You'd have to find an atheist who believes EVERYTHING is SUPERnatural....but not believe in a supernatural CREATOR a God...so therefore still an atheist lol....

I don't know how the hell that works though lol...I think that would simply be a semantic thing because if EVERYTHING is supernatural then there's no real contrast between The Supernatural and nature! So if everything is supernatural then that would kind of make everything natural and nature wouldn't it? Because there is no distintion.

Reminds me of that bit from the movie The Incredibles: how if everyone is SUPER - then no one is.

Because there's no contrast.

So it would just be mixing definitions I think...I don't see how anyone could not believe in nature because they would have to believe nothing that isn't supernatural exists...or that EVERYTHING is supernatural that kind of makes if natural...nevermind atheism - I don't see how ANYONE could not believe in "nature"? Unless it was just a semantic thing so they simply didn't 'call it' nature. or they were a loony or that they thought that "Nothing exists! Its all an ilussion! All a dream", etc, etc.

I would have thought basically EVERYONE believes in nature....the natural world - or at least to SOME extent! If you believed that everything was spiritual and we are living in 'not' a natural world but a 'Spirit world' then that would kind of make that the norm, the natural. So the spiritual would also be what's natural and therefore also be nature. Even if you 'don't call it nature'

But the point is here....belief or non-belief in nature itself however that would work....is not part of the definition of atheism.

Atheism is specifically about the absence of belief in "God" and by my definition: A Supernatural CREATOR of the universe.

Not at all. You ramble well.

AH...really? Maybe THAT'S why people put up with me lol...I may ramble - and it can be annoying - but at least I ramble WELL. Lol :p

Thanks!

You're welcome.

EvF