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material self-dismantle
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RE: material self-dismantle
(March 14, 2016 at 2:28 pm)truth_seeker Wrote: Hello everyone ..

quick question ...

No, you're just JAQing off. The way you can tell the difference between a person actually asking a question and one "just asking questions" as part of a rhetorical stunt is that the former won't generally assume the shape of the answer with their question, whereas someone JAQing off will practically fill in the entirety of the answer with their own preconceptions, as you have. Case in point:

Quote:Given that: a human being is only a collection of matter

"Only"? No. Human beings differ from other collections of matter in that the matter they are made of is playing host to a self aware process we call consciousness. Which plays into part two...

Quote:Then what does it mean to say that it is bad for this collection of matter to dismantle itself? i.e. what is commonly referred to as committing suicide.

It is generally- though not in all cases- against the overall self interest of the conscious process that drives the matter. That's what makes it bad, in that there are more optimal paths to remedy what drove that mind to suicide that aren't the permanent full stop that suicide poses.

Quote:Imagine a group of arranged molecules ...
then there is no meaning in saying that the molecules as a group are good, but the molecules separated into their parts are bad.

Disruption of the conscious process, which has value in itself that is lost when the pieces fall apart. If you must, think of it like a computer: the pieces together can shuttle around electricity to power the processes and produce something that the pieces on their own cannot. The components torn apart are still the same pieces, but they lack an ability that they have when they're together. It's objectively less useful for a computer to be in pieces, if you cannot repair it or make it into something new.
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material self-dismantle - by truth_seeker - March 14, 2016 at 2:28 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by Esquilax - March 14, 2016 at 2:42 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by LastPoet - March 14, 2016 at 2:42 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by Ravenshire - March 14, 2016 at 2:50 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by truth_seeker - March 14, 2016 at 3:11 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by drfuzzy - March 14, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2016 at 3:44 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by brewer - March 14, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by truth_seeker - March 14, 2016 at 4:38 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by The Grand Nudger - March 14, 2016 at 4:48 pm
RE: material self-dismantle - by downbeatplumb - March 14, 2016 at 5:14 pm

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