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You Can't Disprove a Miracle
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle
(March 15, 2016 at 10:44 am)Stimbo Wrote: Since we haven't been presented with a single allegedly supernatural event despite calls for them, arguing about their probability is rather silly. In fact, all this tapdancing is starting to make me think there's nothing to see and our friend knows it.

I did present a personal one earlier to illustrate the equation. If I bring up one from the NT, that will just start a spiral of stupid assertions about made up stories, conspiracy theories, iron age intelligence, Mark got this town wrong, therefore..., etc. I've heard the arguments against the NT events and do not find them convincing and I am not going to argue about them again (especially in this post). 

However, none of the objections you can bring up to the NT supernatural events changes the fact that they could have happened. And that has been my point all along. You can use reason and probability theory to weigh the likelihood of any event being caused by natural causes or not. It is not simply a question of could natural causes create event x. It is given all the factors--the degree of likelihood given the timing and context, what is more probably. 

The example I gave earlier. Man born crippled walks. While not probable, there may be natural causes that can make that happen. If a man claiming to be the Son of God, tells the guy his sins are forgiven and then, after being accused of blaspheme, said, what is easier to say to a many your sins are forgiven to to tell him to take up his bed and walk. You see, the timing and context increases the probability that this was a miracle.
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You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Rhondazvous - March 8, 2016 at 10:49 am
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Drich - March 8, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Joods - March 8, 2016 at 12:46 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Jenny A - March 8, 2016 at 1:32 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Drich - March 10, 2016 at 11:54 am
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Joods - March 10, 2016 at 1:49 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Brian37 - March 10, 2016 at 1:42 pm
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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by vorlon13 - March 8, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by abaris - March 8, 2016 at 12:16 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Rhondazvous - March 10, 2016 at 9:01 am
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Ivan Denisovich - March 8, 2016 at 2:26 pm
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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Brian37 - March 8, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Old Baby - March 8, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by FebruaryOfReason - March 8, 2016 at 4:50 pm
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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Brian37 - March 8, 2016 at 5:48 pm
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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Brian37 - March 8, 2016 at 6:00 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 8, 2016 at 6:43 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Drich - March 10, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 8, 2016 at 6:42 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 12:28 pm
RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by Drich - March 10, 2016 at 12:56 pm
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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by SteveII - March 11, 2016 at 11:09 am
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RE: You Can't Disprove a Miracle - by The Grand Nudger - March 11, 2016 at 12:42 pm
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