The Problem with Christians

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Information is an inherent property of DNA. In fact the information stored in DNA is enormous. It makes no difference that a third party is aware or unaware of it, that is irrelevant. The ability of the DNA to self diagnose a fault and to then apply a correction is certainly evidence of inherent information.

So show me an information. If you're going to assert that it's an objective quantity extant in DNA, then produce for me an information. You can't, though, because information isn't present in DNA- chemical interactions performing predictable actions are present in DNA- and is, in fact, a post hoc organization of predictable elements within DNA into a comprehensible form, as is all information. Oh, but also, just to really jam the nail into this coffin: no description of evolution anywhere that is accepted by mainstream science mentions information at all. They just mention changes in genomes among populations. This requirement that information be constantly added is an illusory one demanded by fiat by people like you with an ax to grind.

But we aren't talking about a small reversal in disorder when it comes to DNA. We are talking about going from nothing living to the human genetic code which is 3 billion bits long. This represents a massive reversal of disorder, against all odds.

Your extreme misrepresentation of entropy in the context you meant it has been dealt with elsewhere. I'm not going to rehash it: suffice to say that disorder is a factor in thermodynamic entropy, which evolution is exempted from by definition, and not within information system entropy, in which decreases in entropy are both expected and mundane. There is no sense in which you're correct here.

But this requires intelligent input doesn't it? In evolution, there is no intelligent input because that would indicate design, and we can't have that can we?

Fuck off with that passive aggressive shit. I'll entertain the design hypothesis the moment it's indicated, and "you can't explain that naturally!" is not an indication of design, just an indication of how willing you are to let your ignorance shape every one of your views in place of evidence. Entropy in information systems is a means of deriving calculations, it necessarily refers to our ability to predict outcomes, and so requires intelligent input. It's also completely irrelevant to every aspect of biology and I'm completely baffled as to why you brought it up at all. Were you just looking for reasons why evolution is false and didn't care enough to make sure you weren't mixing up word definitions?

I've no problem with isolated reversals in entropy, that isn't the problem. It is the scale of the reversals required for life that is the problem.

But the type of entropy you're talking about refers exclusively to how outcomes of varying events are predicted. It doesn't apply to evolution or biology at all. This is roughly akin to you saying my Nissan cannot be a car because elevator cars go up and down vertical shafts: they are two entirely unconnected types of car.