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Gods immorality.
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RE: Gods immorality.
(March 30, 2016 at 10:36 am)SteveII Wrote:
(March 28, 2016 at 4:47 pm)GeneralDog Wrote:
So, a little bit ago, I sent one of my friends a text saying "There is a man in the middle east who is giving orders to kill all male children in the town and all the virgin women, isn't that horrible?" and he replied "Heck yes." I said "Numbers 31:37 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man" (he is talking to moses in this verse) At first he seemed shocked, surprised and defeated. All he would say is "Cool" or "God loves you" and wouldn't refute the verse. Then he said he was thinking and he thinks i'm partially right. I gave him some contradictions in the bible. He has now told me he is an atheist, and that I was right.

This begs the question, although my friend was lucky enough to have the blinders taken off to see how imperfect the god of the bible is, why can't other people?

"Oh, you are taking it out of context!" under what context would it be right to kill all the male children and virgins of a town. I do not give it any slack.

"You are misinterpreting it!" If I can misinterpret anything in the bible, then god is a bad communicator, how can an all knowing god, not know how to word his verses to make sure everyone was on the right track. Also, it says there clearly, no amount of claiming I do not know what it says will make it a good thing to say, it is horrible that you are defending him, ironically, you are playing devils advocate.

What do you all think about blatant deniers?

I believe it probably happened.

However, what is your point? That God doesn't exist because he commanded such a thing? That does not follow. That God is a monster? To support that, you would have to assume there was no reason for these actions. Can you do that? Can you put yourself in God's head?

Related to this, why do you think God is under some kind of obligation to extend or preserve life? There is no basis for thinking that. Do you think humans have "rights" in relation to God? That would be to vastly misunderstand what it means to be God. 

Lastly, I won't comment on your friend, but do you really think these issues have not been brought up before (especially among Christians) for literally thousands of years? Do you really believe that there is not a ten thousand pages written for every objection you can come up with? Your arguments are not new and they are not persuasive to someone who allows for the possibility of God's existence and really tries to understand how it might all work together.

EDIT: I found this if you want to educate yourself to the oppositions thoughts on the subject: http://www.reasonablefaith.org/did-god-c...-testament

From that piece of drivel you posted:

Quote:The framework for my ethical theory is what is called divine command morality. What is that? That is an ethical theory which says that our moral duties are constituted by God’s commands. It is God’s commandments to us that give us right and wrong; that determine what we should and should not do. Therefore, if God issues you a command to do something, that becomes your moral duty and it would be wrong for you not to do it. 

This is an absolutely hideous way to think.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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Gods immorality. - by Socratic Meth Head - March 28, 2016 at 4:47 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Simon Moon - March 28, 2016 at 5:21 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by brewer - March 28, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Chad32 - March 28, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by RozKek - March 28, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 28, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Won2blv - March 30, 2016 at 6:48 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 30, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by drfuzzy - March 28, 2016 at 6:38 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Angrboda - March 28, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 28, 2016 at 7:28 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Minimalist - March 28, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Cecelia - March 28, 2016 at 10:04 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by The Atheist - March 29, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Ivan Denisovich - March 29, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - March 29, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - March 30, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Won2blv - March 31, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Socratic Meth Head - March 31, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 12:39 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Little lunch - March 30, 2016 at 9:19 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - March 30, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 30, 2016 at 6:14 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - March 31, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 31, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 11:37 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 2, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Crossless1 - April 2, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 2, 2016 at 12:58 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Crossless1 - April 2, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 4, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 4, 2016 at 2:49 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2016 at 10:18 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - March 30, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 1:39 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 4, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 12:02 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 4, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 5, 2016 at 1:15 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 5, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 5, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 5, 2016 at 6:11 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 5, 2016 at 10:23 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 8:17 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 6, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 6, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 11:41 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 6, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 4:34 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Wyrd of Gawd - April 7, 2016 at 1:38 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:55 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:31 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 3:39 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 9:26 am
Gods immorality. - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 6, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 6, 2016 at 12:44 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 6, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Goosebump - April 6, 2016 at 1:15 pm
Gods immorality. - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 12:00 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:48 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Goosebump - April 6, 2016 at 1:14 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Goosebump - April 6, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 3:29 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by drfuzzy - April 7, 2016 at 6:41 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 9, 2016 at 1:02 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Redbeard The Pink - April 9, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Crossless1 - April 6, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by ApeNotKillApe - April 6, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 7, 2016 at 12:49 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 8, 2016 at 4:04 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by drfuzzy - April 8, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 8, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 9, 2016 at 2:47 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 9, 2016 at 9:07 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 9, 2016 at 9:53 am

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