(March 31, 2016 at 10:09 am)Rhythm Wrote:(March 31, 2016 at 9:53 am)athrock Wrote: This intelligent designer which exists outside the universe and beyond space and time is what we call "God".Rather than explaining why the "intelligent designer" proposition is a failure...because that clearly doesn't work for you....I'll simply ask why you call this extra dimensional tinkerer "god"? Additionally, who is "we"? Quite the leap....not sure why you went through the trouble of attempting to argue unrelated points, when you were going to conclude god by fiat.
What do you know about this "god" thing, and how did you come to know it?
"God" is simply a word which is used to name that which has certain properties and characteristics, etc. Atheists don't believe that God exists, but they find the word useful for discussion purposes. We might agree the unicorns and leprechauns don't exist, but the words are useful when we share a common, general understanding of what those things are. Interestingly, I find that much misunderstanding among theists and non-theists occurs when the two sides have vastly different views of who or what God is. Atheists sometimes see God in anthropomorphic terms whereas monotheists, like Jews, Christians and Muslims, do not. I myself would not believe in the lesser being that many atheists envision when they think of "god".
If you prefer a different word, use that instead. However, whatever name you choose, the properties and characteristics should remain the same.
"We" would be those who believe that "God" exists.
Did I conclude God by fiat? Or did I follow a chain of logic to arrive at the conclusion that it is more reasonable than not to believe in the existence of a Designer outside of space and time?
