(April 1, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So, I just want to recap your position, and you can jump in to correct me wherever: you take complexity to be suggestive of design, in that you've used your incredible misunderstanding of how positive evidence works to suggest that the complexity of life indicates design. You simultaneously believe in a creator intelligence- the christian god- who designed life on Earth and has no designer or cause himself, despite being infinitely more complex due to his capabilities and attributes. That you don't see the obvious hypocrisy in holding these two positions is its own kind of terrifying thing,As I stated earlier, God is not subject to time and space, nor the laws that govern our universe. Because he is outside our universe, it is possible that he has always existed. Now this is a concept we struggle to understand because everything we do is subject to time and space constraints, but because God exists outside the dimension of time, eternal existence is eminently reasonable and as a result, infinite regression does not apply.
Quote:Just considering these two positions on their own merits, you now have two groups of complex entities that exist within your view of the situation: we have complex entities that are designed and the reason we can reach that conclusion is because they are complex, and we have complex entities of an order of magnitude greater complexity than anything in the first category, but that for random and unexplained reasons we must not conclude was designed due to its complexity, presumably because complexity is only evidence for design when it's convenient for your argument.Apples and oranges. In our world, everything decays and tends towards randomness. Ultimately our universe will suffer heat death and cease to function at all. Outside of this universe, a different set of laws applies.You cannot assume that God, who exists in a different dimension, must be subject to our laws of nature.
(April 1, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Things can be complex with a designer, things can be complex without a designer. How did you determine that life falls into the former category and not the latter, without appealing to the odds considering that the odds of a spaceless, timeless and immaterial being existing because of nothing are far, far longer due to contravening everything we observe to be true in reality?What complex things are there that have no designer?
