continuation from theist zone_souls and death

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And in one of the studies I cited it very clearly showed that not all NDE's were the same, but it also showed that the "expected" structures weren't based on religious background. If an atheist and a Christian both see Jesus and a tunnel, either there are athesits in foxholes (that really do believe and expect to see Jesus) or they actually experienced a similar structure that was independent of what their bias conditioned them to believe. It's not really empirically scientific, I can admit that, but it's at least indicative.

Nor does that explain how when you factor in OBE's the recipient can explain what the tools looked like that cut her head open, the doctors unique "arm flapping" mannerism he used during surgery to keep his hands sanitary, or how the patient when awaking could identify by sight the person in the OR who removed their glasses and asked her to get them because they were forgotten and how she knew where they were at, or how the patient knew about something weird (I think it was a shoe) on a window ledge down from the OR at the other end of the building. I fully admit that more precise methods need to be enacted, but hopefully you can see where I find it indicative at least.