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10 apologist mistakes about trinity
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RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity
(April 1, 2016 at 6:17 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 1, 2016 at 5:58 pm)athrock Wrote: Sorry, but for trinitarian baptism or for apostolic succession?

apostolic succession.

LOGICAL BASIS FOR APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION

Quote:Matthew 28:18-19
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

First, notice in the passage known as the “Great Commission”, that the Apostles were commanded to make disciples of “all nations”. How would it have been possible for these Eleven men to travel to every country on earth at a time when travel was slow and difficult? Given that the last of the Apostles died no more than 60 years or so after the Ascension of Jesus, would there have been time for them to physically visit every nation on earth to fulfill His command? No! Clearly, the instruction of Jesus only makes sense if it was given to the Apostles and those who would take the place of the Apostles after their deaths. Those who took the place of the Apostles would have to have the same Apostolic Authority given to the Apostles handed down to them. Thus, the “Great Commission” would be fulfilled over time through the missionary efforts of a greatly expanded Church.

Second, if the authority of the Apostles was intended to die out with the death of the last Apostle, why bother to elect Matthias to the office of Apostle after the suicide of Jesus’ betrayer, Judas Iscariot? (cf. Acts 1) Instead, we can understand that Peter had initiated the replacement of one Apostle (Judas), had known the beheading of another (James), and was conscious of Jesus' prophecy concerning his own impending martyrdom. Wisely, Peter planned for his own replacement as Bishop of Rome.

Quote:John 14:16-17
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

Does it make sense for Jesus to say “forever” if He anticipated that the Holy Spirit would depart from the church with the death of the last Apostle? No! The Spirit would remain with the Apostles and, through those who succeeded them, with the church forever. As we saw earlier, he also said,

Quote:Matthew 28:18-19
“And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

How could Jesus fulfill this promise if the disciples themselves did not live until the end of the age? Clearly, Jesus intended that the apostles would be succeeded by other men who are still with us and will live until the end of the age. Jesus can be with the Apostles through their successors who also have the same Apostolic Authority by means of Apostolic Succession.
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10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by MysticKnight - April 1, 2016 at 5:24 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 5:30 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 5:48 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by Angrboda - April 1, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by Minimalist - April 1, 2016 at 5:56 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by Athene - April 1, 2016 at 6:34 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 5:58 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by athrock - April 2, 2016 at 5:24 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by athrock - April 2, 2016 at 5:29 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by athrock - April 2, 2016 at 5:34 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by Minimalist - April 1, 2016 at 6:10 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by ignoramus - April 1, 2016 at 7:55 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by Minimalist - April 1, 2016 at 6:23 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 6:35 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by Minimalist - April 1, 2016 at 8:37 pm
RE: 10 apologist mistakes about trinity - by vorlon13 - April 1, 2016 at 10:04 pm

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