(April 6, 2016 at 8:51 am)SteveII Wrote:(April 6, 2016 at 12:55 am)KevinM1 Wrote: You keep trying to deflect the question with caveats. WLC said, point blank, that if god orders something to be done, then those orders are good/moral because god is the embodiment of good and cannot act against his nature. You concurred. The context of the orders is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if it's the leader of a theocracy receiving the orders or some random woman. It doesn't matter if it happened in the ancient Middle East or modern USA. God is absolute, remember? He's supposed to transcend any particular context, and his word is law. Again, that's what WLC said he lives by, and you agreed.
So, were those women right to murder their kids because god ordered them to? It's a very simple question, one you should be able to answer directly.
No, the women were not right in murdering their kids. You asked why this is different. I explained. The context is not irrelevant, it is crucial. God announced why he was issuing the command ahead of time (even speaking about this very topic 400 years earlier).
Yes, God is absolute. His commands are absolute. Over the millennium, he has revealed himself and messages in different ways. Way back he spoke to people (judges, prophets, priests, kings). Then he spoke through Christ and the apostles--leaving a new set of instructions to live by. The current revelation is good from here on out. That revelation centers around forgiveness, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, self control and a personal relationship with God. Since killing innocent people would be a contradiction to the last and final revelation from God, it can be firmly established that the message was not from God.
Why are you saying that god couldn't have changed who he wants to talk directly to? Why are you saying that he can't demand something new?
Really, you keep putting limits on god. "He only used to do it this way, then another way, but now we're fine and locked into the current status quo forever" is simply an argument from ignorance since you cannot possibly know what an infinite being will do, or how it thinks. God has the right to change his mind, correct?
And, again, if the order came from god, like these women claim, then what does it matter if the new status quo prevents people from killing innocents? Like you said, god doesn't need to extend life, and his law is absolute.
You keep deflecting. Answer the question.
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