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Gods immorality.
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RE: Gods immorality.
(April 6, 2016 at 12:48 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
(April 6, 2016 at 12:00 pm)robvalue Wrote: Well, we're lucky we have Steve here to tell us who is and isn't being talked to by God.

It is absolutely hilarious to see him twisting in the wind.  At every turn he weakens his own god by placing limits on what he can and can't do, and has the gall to imply he can know the mind of his deity.  Even better, he never addresses what we keep hounding him on.  He keeps saying, "Well, god would never do that" despite his own book saying he did at least once (more than once if you're smart enough to not just think that everyone except Noah and his family were good, or that Original Sin is utterly ridiculous).

None of that addresses what WLC said, which Steve agreed with:

Quote:The framework for my ethical theory is what is called divine command morality. What is that? That is an ethical theory which says that our moral duties are constituted by God’s commands. It is God’s commandments to us that give us right and wrong; that determine what we should and should not do. Therefore, if God issues you a command to do something, that becomes your moral duty and it would be wrong for you not to do it. 

Even better, further in the article Steve posted:

Quote:Now someone might say, “Are you saying that God can command someone to murder somebody else? Is that what you are saying?” No, I am not saying that God can command you to murder someone. I am saying that God can command you to do something which in the absence of a divine command would have been murder but is not murder in virtue of that divine command because it now becomes your moral duty. 

Note that WLC doesn't falter.  He doesn't try to hide behind caveats.  He flat out says that if god orders you to do something, you have a moral duty to do it.

WLC is arguing a philosophical point and showing that the command to wipe out the Amalekites has no bearing on human morality and does nothing to prove anything. 

I was responding to the question about the women who kill their babies because God told them to. My point, which you must have missed, was that God has given us new commands (the NT). To consider the question of God commanding murder now is in direct violation of his most important and final revelation (Christ and his instructions). This is something NOT addressed at all in WLC's article because it is not the topic. If you want to know what he thinks on this very different subject, ask him.
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Gods immorality. - by Socratic Meth Head - March 28, 2016 at 4:47 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Simon Moon - March 28, 2016 at 5:21 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by brewer - March 28, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Chad32 - March 28, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by RozKek - March 28, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 28, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Won2blv - March 30, 2016 at 6:48 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 30, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by drfuzzy - March 28, 2016 at 6:38 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Angrboda - March 28, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 28, 2016 at 7:28 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Minimalist - March 28, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Cecelia - March 28, 2016 at 10:04 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by The Atheist - March 29, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Ivan Denisovich - March 29, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - March 29, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - March 30, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Won2blv - March 31, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Socratic Meth Head - March 31, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 12:39 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Little lunch - March 30, 2016 at 9:19 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - March 30, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 30, 2016 at 6:14 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - March 31, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 31, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 11:37 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 2, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Crossless1 - April 2, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 2, 2016 at 12:58 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Crossless1 - April 2, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 4, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 4, 2016 at 2:49 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2016 at 10:18 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - March 30, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 1:39 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 4, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 12:02 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 4, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 5, 2016 at 1:15 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 5, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 5, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 5, 2016 at 6:11 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 5, 2016 at 10:23 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 8:17 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 6, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 6, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 11:41 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 6, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 4:34 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Wyrd of Gawd - April 7, 2016 at 1:38 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:55 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:31 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 3:39 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 9:26 am
Gods immorality. - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 6, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 6, 2016 at 12:44 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 6, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Goosebump - April 6, 2016 at 1:15 pm
Gods immorality. - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 12:00 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:48 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Goosebump - April 6, 2016 at 1:14 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Goosebump - April 6, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 3:29 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by drfuzzy - April 7, 2016 at 6:41 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 9, 2016 at 1:02 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Redbeard The Pink - April 9, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Crossless1 - April 6, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by ApeNotKillApe - April 6, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 7, 2016 at 12:49 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 8, 2016 at 4:04 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by drfuzzy - April 8, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 8, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 9, 2016 at 2:47 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 9, 2016 at 9:07 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 9, 2016 at 9:53 am

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