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Gods immorality.
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RE: Gods immorality.
(April 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm)SteveII Wrote: So, whether I would obey if I were the leader is moot.
Complete dodge of the moral question.

(April 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm)SteveII Wrote: These and other verses indicate that those who have not heard the gospel can still find God.
Can you point to one credible case where someone raised in another religion in another culture, having never been introduced to Judaism or Christianity, suddenly knew about Yahweh and Jesus specifically?

Also, is just the ability to "find God" enough for salvation? If so, who needs Jesus for salvation?

(April 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm)SteveII Wrote: Christ chose to die on the cross for the redemption of everyone who believes.

Therefore, had Christ not chosen to die on the cross for the redemption of everyone who believes, no one would find redemption - even if they believed in God. This belies your previous statement that "those who have not heard of the gospel can still find God." What good is "finding God" without redemption?

Furthermore, why did Jesus not choose to live a long life, spread more divine wisdom directly, and still redeem everyone who believes? What is accomplished through a torturous, bloody death (that isn't really a sacrifice of God's child as you see it)?

Steve, at this point, I'm going to let you off the hook as far as I'm concerned. Your depth of cognitive dissonance is apparent to almost anyone reading through this thread. I'm truly sorry it isn't apparent to you. Until you realize the intentional slaughter of innocents, blood sacrifices, and salvation only through belief is not morally justifiable, even for a deity, no matter what the time, place, or circumstances, you will continue to defend the indefensible and dodge the hard moral questions.
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Gods immorality. - by Socratic Meth Head - March 28, 2016 at 4:47 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Simon Moon - March 28, 2016 at 5:21 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by brewer - March 28, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Chad32 - March 28, 2016 at 5:49 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by RozKek - March 28, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 28, 2016 at 6:31 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Won2blv - March 30, 2016 at 6:48 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 30, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by drfuzzy - March 28, 2016 at 6:38 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Angrboda - March 28, 2016 at 7:24 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 28, 2016 at 7:28 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Minimalist - March 28, 2016 at 8:11 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Cecelia - March 28, 2016 at 10:04 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by The Atheist - March 29, 2016 at 1:47 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Ivan Denisovich - March 29, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - March 29, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - March 30, 2016 at 8:16 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Won2blv - March 31, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Socratic Meth Head - March 31, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 12:39 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 2:06 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 2:10 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 4:07 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 4:32 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Little lunch - March 30, 2016 at 9:19 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - March 30, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 30, 2016 at 6:14 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - March 31, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - March 31, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 11:37 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 2, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Crossless1 - April 2, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 2, 2016 at 12:58 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Crossless1 - April 2, 2016 at 1:16 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 4, 2016 at 2:22 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 4, 2016 at 2:49 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2016 at 10:18 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - March 30, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by vorlon13 - March 31, 2016 at 1:03 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 12:19 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 12:27 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 1:39 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 4:33 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 4, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Brian37 - April 1, 2016 at 12:02 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 4, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 5, 2016 at 1:15 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 5, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 5, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 5, 2016 at 6:11 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 5, 2016 at 10:23 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 8:17 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 6, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 6, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 11:41 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 12:46 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 6, 2016 at 3:43 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 4:34 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Wyrd of Gawd - April 7, 2016 at 1:38 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:55 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:31 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 3:39 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 8:52 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 9:26 am
Gods immorality. - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:33 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 6, 2016 at 11:23 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 6, 2016 at 12:44 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 12:52 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 6, 2016 at 1:00 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Goosebump - April 6, 2016 at 1:15 pm
Gods immorality. - by LadyForCamus - April 6, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 12:00 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by KevinM1 - April 6, 2016 at 12:48 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 1:10 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Goosebump - April 6, 2016 at 1:14 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Goosebump - April 6, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 3:29 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by drfuzzy - April 7, 2016 at 6:41 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Vincent - April 9, 2016 at 1:02 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Redbeard The Pink - April 9, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 3:03 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by Crossless1 - April 6, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by SteveII - April 6, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by ApeNotKillApe - April 6, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 7, 2016 at 12:49 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 8, 2016 at 4:04 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by drfuzzy - April 8, 2016 at 1:43 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 8, 2016 at 2:14 pm
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 9, 2016 at 2:47 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by Time Traveler - April 9, 2016 at 9:07 am
RE: Gods immorality. - by robvalue - April 9, 2016 at 9:53 am

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