Gods immorality.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Complete dodge of the moral question.

Can you point to one credible case where someone raised in another religion in another culture, having never been introduced to Judaism or Christianity, suddenly knew about Yahweh and Jesus specifically?

Also, is just the ability to "find God" enough for salvation? If so, who needs Jesus for salvation?


Therefore, had Christ not chosen to die on the cross for the redemption of everyone who believes, no one would find redemption - even if they believed in God. This belies your previous statement that "those who have not heard of the gospel can still find God." What good is "finding God" without redemption?

Furthermore, why did Jesus not choose to live a long life, spread more divine wisdom directly, and still redeem everyone who believes? What is accomplished through a torturous, bloody death (that isn't really a sacrifice of God's child as you see it)?

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Steve, at this point, I'm going to let you off the hook as far as I'm concerned. Your depth of cognitive dissonance is apparent to almost anyone reading through this thread. I'm truly sorry it isn't apparent to you. Until you realize the intentional slaughter of innocents, blood sacrifices, and salvation only through belief is not morally justifiable, even for a deity, no matter what the time, place, or circumstances, you will continue to defend the indefensible and dodge the hard moral questions.

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No, I would not obey to kill my child because I know that such a command would not be originating from God (for the reasons I have explained at length).

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Regarding those that have not heard, this is debated in Christian circles. The Bible only says that those who have not heard can still find him. I don't know what that means in the heart of one of those people.

I can't help it you think that man's moral obligations to each other is the same as God's moral obligations to man. I was merely pointing out that stories like this are not a defeater for God's moral perfection (or any other common characteristic of God). I don't care if you don't like the conclusion, but you cannot claim that it is illogical or inconsistent with the Christian's perception of God. The reason you see it this way is because you arrive with a bias that 1) the Bible is fiction, 2) that God does not exist, 3) that Christ is not who he claimed to be, 4) and all systematic theology is a result of false assertions. All things I do not believe. 

I did not set out to change your mind. Only to point out that this story (while disturbing) does not illustrate inconsistencies in our belief in God.

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In the Old Testament the God character had people kill their kids all the time.  In the New Testament the God character killed his own son.  As a believer, are you saying that you believe in your favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish deity but that you won't do what he tells you to do?  It's off to the lake of fire with you.