The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Redbeard The Pink]

You view of books are simplistic not all books are about the same thing so depending on what the book is about determines you view on the author. Your view of the Bible is also simplistic and your understanding of how God communicates is flawed. The Bible is full of stories reflecting God's glory and our depravity. Since you reject this truth you hate God. 

So despite all the suffering and death, he really does still love us, and when he does those things we actually deserve them...it's not his fault...he just gets so angry...


Your faith is now practically indistinguishable from battered woman syndrome. Good job.


The Bible is about a monster that kills droves of people and animals, and his name is Yahweh.

Where did you first encounter the Golden Rule?

That's not relevant at all, and it was too young for me to remember. The oldest known example of the rule itself appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant, an ancient Egyptian tale that predates Leviticus 19:18 by a good margin. It also appears in the philosophies and religions of ancient cultures the world over, including India, China, Greece, etc., and in virtually none of those cases is that because of contact with the Jewish god. The Golden Rule is a human cooperative principle that likely formed before we even had language to describe it or write it down.

Also your rendition of the Golden rule that you now ascribe to, If I am remembering correctly, is a negative version. Don't do to people that you wouldn't want them to do to you. So this just means don't do avoid certain behaviors that from your point of view would be harmful. The Golden Rule goes further and tells you to act on that person's behalf. To humble yourself and move towards a person for his or her good.

The Golden Rule, as I understand it, is "treat others the way you want to be treated." That covers things you don't want people to do, and things you would want them to do (like help you if you're hungry, for instance). No part of that demands the presence of a god, nor does it necessitate that the beings involved possess any "intrinsic worth," whatever that is. 

Your motivations on calling something evil is simplistic and narrow. You don't understand the fullness of what is evil because you don't understand the fullness of what suffering is and what it is for. You don't know what is good for a person in the long run. You are only using your limited understanding of how you feel and how people say that a things should be. You don't know everything so you can't fully understand suffering. You don't full understand enjoying a thing so you can't see how this too can cause suffering and pain. You don't accept that there is purity so you can't see how certain things will corrupt a person. Since, you don't think people can be pure then you don't see that impurity must be removed therefore you leave people in their pain and suffering. You can only judge by what you see not by what actually is. You lack knowledge, wisdom, and understanding to rightly apply the Golden Rule d and your assertion that you have and do is arrogant. 

Wow. That's a lot of "you" language, Shakira.


My definition of evil has nothing to do with the supernatural, and that makes it inherently more useful than yours. To me, evil is nothing more than a word that describes profound (even deliberate) immorality and malevolence.


I define morality as that course of action which promotes the greatest possible well-being and/or reduces unnecessary harm, and I define immorality as that which needlessly/selfishly detracts from well-being and/or creates unnecessary harm. That's really all there is to it. Evil is an extreme and/or deliberate version of immorality. If you want to posit that evil is more than that, I will once again need to see some evidence for that assertion.

You again have a narrow minded view and hold prejudice views on past cultures. You believe that because you were born at a certain time that you are now so morally and socially advanced that you can understand the nuances and needs of a person throughout time... You have no control over the time you were born in but you pride yourself with your moral superiority? You are blind to your moral weakness and to this prejudice. This again is arrogant.

My moral superiority is not a point of pride, but of objective fact. I live in a time that is demonstrably less violent and criminal than ages past, and that trend is directly proportional to the global decline of religion and the continued advances of science and secularism.

As for gays. God would be right if he killed all of humankind, but He move towards all of His enemies in a loving way.

Except for Egypt, Jericho, Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot's wife, Satan and his rebels, the whole of antediluvian humanity, that one fig tree that one time...shit, who else?


Yeah, no, your god is a dick. If he can behave that way and still tell us not to kill people, then his commands are arbitrary and hypocritical and have nothing to do with morality.

God says that pride is an abomination and I have struggled with this for the majority of life. This is a condemnation just like that person who participates in any sexual sin. Instead of just sending me to Hell Jesus died on the cross for my sins and theirs. There is no one on the face of the planet that has any moral high ground. There is no one who doesn't deserve God's condemnation. You view your sin so lightly that you have blinded yourself to all the evil that is around.

Sin (offense against god) is not real because gods are not real.


Anyone who would not condemn someone to infinite punishment for finite crimes has the moral high ground when dealing with your god character.

You also miss a great deal of pain and suffering and the ones that you do you can only cover up with platitudes and behavior modification. Your narrow view of what is actually happening with the human soul is lacking.

Why, because humans lack souls?

This  is proven by the fact that you don't believe it exist. Your viewpoint will only keep people enslaved to their pain and suffering not free them from it. God not only can free them from their sin enslavement but also from suffering. Not in this life but in the next.

Until you can prove the existence of souls, your god, and this afterlife, your claim is not only asinine but also insidious. It is the very worst kind of fraud, and you should be ashamed of yourself for propagating it.

Also He doesn't give people platitudes He uses His own body to heal their pain. He doesn't give them lies about how they are but names their sin then gives them a few identity through His love and grace. 

The entire Bible is one large, poorly-contrived lie. It's honestly kind of embarrassing that I believed it for so long.

Don't hide behind insults and falsehoods you know exactly what you need saving from you know that your actions will lead to destruction. God is purifying the world and if you choose to hang onto your sin He will remove you. Yet, in His grace He moves towards you and will walk you

I sincerely have no reason to believe that Hell exists. I know your claim is that it does, but I don't "know" that I'm going to end up in Hell because as far as I'm concerned, there is no such place. There is no more reason to believe in Hell than there is to believe in the god that supposedly created it, and until I have a really good reason to believe it, I'm just not going to.