(March 20, 2011 at 11:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: BTW, the last thing these rich cocksuckers want are "free markets."
That is EXACTLY why we need them. Corporations do not want free markets, they want markets set up in their favor while being propped up by taxpayers. They want corporatism, the two are completely contrary positions.
Quote:The fuck each other (and us ) in ever more grandiose schemes to manipulate those markets for their benefit.
What manipulations can they get under the free market? None. They can agree to terms and conditions with other consenting parties and that's it, if they engage in activities that are not agreed upon then they are breaking the law, arrest them and fine them or put them in prison.
You wonder why businesses get billion dollar subsidies, tax breaks, limited liabilities, tariffs imposed on competitors, bailouts and exclusive contracts? They cannot do that by themselves in any way, shape or form. They NEED government to get their cushy conditions and they GIVE it to them because they're "growing the economy".
Quote:That is where government comes in....when it too has not been compromised by the money that these scumbags generate.
The only thing the government needs to do is police the markets, make sure that anyone who uses force, fraud, coercion or neglects their responsibilities to their employees and consumers is punished, they DO NOT need to offer subsidies or bailouts etc.
Quote:Your attachment to this idea is almost religious. You speak of "markets" the way Frodo speaks of his fucking god. God/markets can do no wrong because whatever god/markets do is good. And neither of you have fuckall for evidence that your respective manias actually work.
Free markets are FAIR. Nobody gets a government backed advantage, no companies get taxpayer money, failed companies aren't bailed out and taxpayers don't pick up the bill. You don't plunge the nation into debt so businesses can get by easier. You own ALL of your responsibilities and liabilities.
Markets aren't perfect, they aren't supposed to provide us all with an equal outcome, they provide everyone with an equal opportunity and they succeed or fail based on their own merits.
And here you are championing Keynsian economics that do what? Bail out multi-billion dollar companies, give subsidies to tobacco companies, restrict unions on 'economic' grounds, impose taxes on competitors, hand out exclusive contract and ALL at the expense of the taxpayer who receives FUCK ALL benefit from it.
Keynesianism is the alternative, it's an epic failure, all the nations who got involved heavily from the 60's onwards are now in a ton of debt and are things more even? No, the rich have been given conditions and backing that allows them to accumulate wealth far faster than they could on their own.
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