(April 9, 2016 at 4:06 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:(April 9, 2016 at 9:30 am)vorlon13 Wrote: And if following Jesus ever did 'work', it would only 'work' for folks that follow the One True Faith to the letter, no slackers would ever measure up to accrue the benefit of His lordly grace.
And other than an ability to speak in tongues, heal the sick via the laying on of the hands, being impervious to poison and invulnerable to snakebite, looks like there isn't much Jesus can do for you while you're on earth, the big payoff occurs in avoiding
ETERNAL INFINITE and EXCRUCIATING TORMENT.
Yes, he said everybody who calls him lord lord will not enter his kingdom. But if you're not a Jew, how do you obey a guy who said he came only for the Jews and told his disciples that the reason he spoke in parables was so that outsiders would not understand and be saved?
Technically, what he said was "NOT everyone who says Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven". Not trying to disrespect you, but if we're going to attack them, it must be on the merits.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
