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Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe
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RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe
(April 14, 2016 at 10:13 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Salam

Chosen families are in Quran. For example the family of Abraham. Abraham, Sarah, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph.

God emphasized on offspring of Nuh for example being given Prophethood.

وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله و بركاته Smile
When God choose from within humanity, you can't expect the chosen to be clean since birth.
That's a heathen type of ideology, what differs Islam from all religions is equality and justice. Nobody gets to be pure since birth on this earth, in terms of the universe, only God is pure

"Chosen" refers to blessing certain people with knowledge and -you guessed that right- the revelation that can take the form of "books".
But it was very clear, that the "chosen" can ruin the day, become unworthy, in other words God gave them a blessing, and what they would do with it is totally up to them.

The famous example, is the infamous "Israelite" clan, you can see here how they were chosen:

Sura 2
 47 )   O Children of Israel, remember My favor that I have bestowed upon you and that I preferred you over the worlds.
( 48 )   And fear a Day when no soul will suffice for another soul at all, nor will intercession be accepted from it, nor will compensation be taken from it, nor will they be aided.

Then, you see this verse:

Sura 20
( 80 )   O Children of Israel, We delivered you from your enemy, and We made an appointment with you at the right side of the mount, and We sent down to you manna and quails,
( 81 )   [Saying], "Eat from the good things with which We have provided you and do not transgress [or oppress others] therein, lest My anger should descend upon you. And he upon whom My anger descends has certainly fallen."
( 82 )   But indeed, I am the Perpetual Forgiver of whoever repents and believes and does righteousness and then continues in guidance.

As you can see, it's mostly in your hands. God gives -that's how he choses you-, but that doesn't clear your name or make you pure, like heathens believe about their "chosen ones"; go Zeus style on mount Olympus and all..

What are you gonna do with the blessing? the children of Israel -for the most part- did this:

Sura 2
( 211 )   Ask the Children of Israel how many a sign of evidence We have given them. And whoever exchanges the favor of Allah [for disbelief] after it has come to him - then indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.

How would a chosen one, "CHOSEN", do this? then the concept of chosen is not what you would actually find in the Shia version of Islam; Mystic, or in the heathen religions of Greece and Ancient Egypt.

Let alone, Ali and his group were never mentioned by name or refered to in the Quran, all what shia have is some Hadiths that have a comical, laughable contented that denies every word in the book.

Chosen in Islam means something else. A chosen one can so be a lying scumbag who ends up in hell, this verse explains it:

Sura 6
( 87 )   And [some] among their fathers and their descendants and their brothers - and We chose them and We guided them to a straight path.

( 88 )   That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whomever He wills of His servants. But if they had associated others with Allah, then worthless for them would be whatever they were doing.

( 89 )   Those are the ones to whom We gave the Scripture and authority and prophethood. But if the disbelievers deny it, then We have entrusted it to a people who are not therein disbelievers.
( 90 )   Those are the ones whom Allah has guided, so from their guidance take an example. Say, "I ask of you for this message no payment. It is not but a reminder for the worlds."

So I enlarged the text so it stands out..
Ah, they can totally go astray. I mean, wasn't the story of "Joseph" and his brothers, just about that ?
Joseph's brothers were sons of Jacob, decendants of "Abraham", they should be guided ones, but all we saw was them carrying on domestic abuse and drown children inside wells.

Just like the movie: the ring.





If you're wearing headphones, lower the volume.
The scene is creepy.

These are the actions of "the guided ones".





What did poor Joseph feel inside that well..I can't imagine.
Poor Joseph.

Sura 12
( 9 )   Kill Joseph or cast him out to [another] land; the countenance of your father will [then] be only for you, and you will be after that a righteous people."
( 10 )   Said a speaker among them, "Do not kill Joseph but throw him into the bottom of the well; some travelers will pick him up - if you would do [something]."

Poor Joseph. No wonder Jacob got blind from sadness:

Sura 12
( 84 )   And he turned away from them and said, "Oh, my sorrow over Joseph," and his eyes became white from grief, for he was [of that] a suppressor.

And, let's not forget about Jonah:

Sura 21:
( 87 )   And [mention] the man of the fish, when he went off in anger and thought that We would not decree [anything] upon him. And he called out within the darknesses, "There is no deity except You; exalted are You. Indeed, I have been of the wrongdoers."

A guided one, does that?? strange..

Guided, is not what the Shia faith dictates, Mystic.
The Shia faith orders you to worship humans, so when a piece of shit like this:

[Image: 150516091546_khamenei__640x360_ap.jpg]

Orders you to pay taxes and agree on the invasion of Iraq, you bite chew swallow, and shut up, because he is "the heir" of the guided ones.
Guided?if prophets like jonah, went astray and survived with a miracle, who is Ali again?

I'm sorry Mystic, but the Shia concepts are nothing but tribal nonsense that is not backed by the slightest evidence. Above I showed you how the Quran denies the faith in its core.

But eventually, here's what God thinks about "the family of Mohammed"; his own uncle:

Sura 111
( 1 )   May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he.
( 2 )   His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained.
( 3 )   He will [enter to] burn in a Fire of [blazing] flame
( 4 )   And his wife [as well] - the carrier of firewood.
( 5 )   Around her neck is a rope of [twisted] fiber.

Nobody gets a free ride in this life, Mystic.
May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined; the prophet's own uncle. Islam destroyed tribalism. Nobody gets guidance since birth, even if Iranian politicians tried to fool you with that.
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Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 14, 2016 at 9:59 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Minimalist - April 14, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 14, 2016 at 10:13 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 14, 2016 at 10:33 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 16, 2016 at 2:32 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by ReptilianPeon - April 15, 2016 at 3:13 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 16, 2016 at 3:50 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by ReptilianPeon - April 16, 2016 at 2:29 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 17, 2016 at 3:13 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by ReptilianPeon - April 17, 2016 at 7:17 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 17, 2016 at 6:08 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 15, 2016 at 9:07 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 16, 2016 at 3:56 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Mister Agenda - April 15, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Goosebump - April 16, 2016 at 2:43 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 16, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 16, 2016 at 5:50 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 16, 2016 at 11:16 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 16, 2016 at 2:49 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 16, 2016 at 2:56 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 16, 2016 at 6:27 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 16, 2016 at 6:46 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 16, 2016 at 6:59 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 17, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 6:15 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 17, 2016 at 7:52 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 17, 2016 at 5:22 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by ReptilianPeon - April 17, 2016 at 6:49 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 18, 2016 at 1:18 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 17, 2016 at 8:18 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 18, 2016 at 1:40 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 18, 2016 at 5:16 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 18, 2016 at 5:19 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 18, 2016 at 5:30 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 18, 2016 at 9:36 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 18, 2016 at 2:59 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 19, 2016 at 6:34 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 18, 2016 at 5:33 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 18, 2016 at 7:29 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 24, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 18, 2016 at 5:56 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 18, 2016 at 10:14 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 18, 2016 at 11:01 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 18, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 18, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 18, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2016 at 12:17 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 18, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Simon Moon - April 18, 2016 at 5:02 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 18, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Simon Moon - April 18, 2016 at 9:55 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 18, 2016 at 10:59 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by TubbyTubby - April 19, 2016 at 2:08 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 19, 2016 at 2:13 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2016 at 12:08 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 20, 2016 at 1:20 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 19, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2016 at 4:19 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 19, 2016 at 4:51 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 19, 2016 at 6:13 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 20, 2016 at 7:40 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 20, 2016 at 1:22 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 20, 2016 at 1:29 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 20, 2016 at 7:58 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 20, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 20, 2016 at 11:16 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 20, 2016 at 12:04 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 20, 2016 at 11:33 am
Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by TubbyTubby - April 20, 2016 at 11:41 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 20, 2016 at 11:51 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 20, 2016 at 12:08 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 20, 2016 at 1:35 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by WinterHold - April 21, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 21, 2016 at 6:00 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 21, 2016 at 6:02 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 21, 2016 at 7:05 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by ReptilianPeon - April 21, 2016 at 8:04 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 21, 2016 at 8:23 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by MysticKnight - April 24, 2016 at 6:50 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Brian37 - April 24, 2016 at 8:22 pm
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by robvalue - April 25, 2016 at 4:43 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by Goosebump - April 25, 2016 at 4:49 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by ReptilianPeon - April 25, 2016 at 6:08 am
RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe - by ReptilianPeon - April 25, 2016 at 8:20 am
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