(April 15, 2016 at 3:13 am)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote:Quote:Aisha, the mother of all Muslims,
I don't get that Muhammad had lots of wives. But Aisha is somehow more special than the others? I think it's not hard to imagine there are "Quranists" out there who think Ali was nice.
Uthman/Othman was a noob. He took away people's Qurans which I think was really selfish a shortsighted. Now we can't see textual variations in the Quran. Controlled transmission, to me, suggests there was something to hide.
But those Twelvers I think you say they will dig up the graves of certain people when the final Imam arrives. This Mehdi guy I think it was. Sounds crazy.
Wahaabi/Salafis emphasize the Salaf (supposedly), like getting rid of Bidah, yet they memorize Hadith. There were no Hadith, as we know them today, the time of the Salafi, right? The Hadith were written and organized hundreds of years after Muhammad. If I were to ask them about this, about why the the Hadith are bad, they will tell me all about Isnad Chains. "Oh yes, the the Hadith are great!" they say. But then every ten year old Salafi/Wahaabi thinks themselves a scholar so they go out an harass people in the World Wide Web and with their "Dawah Tables". Children are not scholars?
It's amazing to me that people say "My religious is not homogeneous" and then they come out with a seemingly never ending list of people who can't be part of their religion because of reason X or reason Y. Hypocritical I think.
I've heard some people say increased "Quranism" is a sign of the "end times". Or just call them "liberal elites". Are you a liberal elite Atlas (2:20 in the video)? That flag of al-Saud's henchmen in Iraq and Syria in the corner of the video..WTF...I'm probably on a terrorist watch list now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s-DiRCa6u8
But, back to being serious, I think Shabir Ali has a much better video on "Quranism" for those interested (I don't like Shabir Ali but his video is more coherent). Apparently we need a "balanced approach to Hadith". But I think most people don't have the time to analyze each and every Hadith, even within just Bukhari alone, lets say, so it's unrealistic to expect the average person to go through all of the collections and all of the Hadith and decide for themselves. So they have to rely on others. But you won't know whose opinions to rely on unless you've done your own research, so you could be easily led astray (especially if you're illiterate, as many people in Africa and Asia are).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBiqdvKlRAw
Aisha isn't special, there is a verse though describing "all" the wives of being the mothers of Muslims:
Sura 33
( 6 ) The Prophet is more worthy of the believers than themselves, and his wives are [in the position of] their mothers. And those of [blood] relationship are more entitled [to inheritance] in the decree of Allah than the [other] believers and the emigrants, except that you may do to your close associates a kindness [through bequest]. That was in the Book inscribed.
You can guess that when a verse like this, meets the Shia hadiths accusing Aisha of being a whore, or meets Ali's story of meeting Aisha in battle, well...to a Quranist it won't be cool indeed. Especially when the other part considers you a "whore lover" who deserves to die for "infidelity".
Yes, Ottoman did what is worse than that: he was weak, allowed his family and tribe to take lands for free,until the Ummayads became a force that is able to even invade Europe itself -Spain is an example-, let alone the Quran incident.
Hadiths started to be collected later, 200 years after the prophet's death, perhaps? that was when "Bukhari" wrote his book, around that time.
Mehdi led to disasters, on the Sunni side, even in modern times. Look here, I think you'll be very interested in this, MNMP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Mosque_seizure
You can see the madness.
In the Shia teachings though, he would dig the bodies of Omar and Abu Bakr and trial them one last time.
But Wahhabies preceded the Shia with the massacring of hundreds for the sake of this mythological figure.
Ironically, the Sauds received what they sowed in that grand mosque incident; TBH.
Yes, Hadiths were never collected in the past, some even said that the Prophet porhibeted people to do so before he died.
About that video, I love how he spreads his logic using the power of "whey protein"..my problem with these folks is one thing: they're so full of themselves.
What I love about this breed is how they make the Quran make so much sense :
Sura 31
( 21 ) And when it is said to them, "Follow what Allah has revealed," they say, "Rather, we will follow that upon which we found our fathers." Even if Satan was inviting them to the punishment of the Blaze?
Literally, if you told this fella to follow what "God revealed", he'll tell you no I follow what my forefathers -Bukhari & the like- had wrote..
Ah..
You again, bring me a video that would contribute to my early death with a brain damage -_-..
The second video though was great. I ask you MNMP to wait for me to make my mind about a proper response, too many good points in the video.
