RE: Shia & Sunna: Why I don't believe
April 17, 2016 at 7:17 am
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2016 at 7:22 am by ReptilianPeon.)
(April 17, 2016 at 3:13 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: There was another theory behind that assassination though, the guy who was accused according to the theory, was brainwashed by Washington, not a Wahhabi militia. Sadat -of Egypt- got assassinated in the same time reference.I heard this island transfer between Egypt and Saudi says a lot about M.E.. Why isn't Israel concerned about a country that finances people that want to wipe them off the map? Does Israel hate Secular/Communist Palestinians that much?
It was all about deleting the tracks of 73. Two key joints were moving the scene inside the Middle East: Saudi Arabia -economically-. and Egypt with the military -force-.
Technically. they were drawing the map of the new Middle East, that M.E that would be in peace with Israel, witnesses cannot remain alive though. Both were assassinated.
(April 17, 2016 at 3:13 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The alcohol thing is overrated by Wahhabies. Don't get me wrong; God's revelations and sentences are indeed holy. But wahhabies take stuff like alcohol, women, focus on it, and neglect the verses about murder, stealing, corruption, dictatorships, and all the other things in the Quran.
So for example, dictators like the Sauds murder, torture, steal, but wahhabies praise them at the end of the just because they porhibit alcohol.
A demonic faith, if you ask me.
They ask these Wahaabi-Salafi types on the television about Saudi sometimes. They make up all sorts of excuses and lies. Such as (to cite a few): "Saudi doesn't represent me", "more Saudi women are going to university than ever before", "Saudi doesn't have true Sharia" or "You're a bigot for saying Saudi is a terrible country". Why is that a Shiite or an Ibaḍiyya can criticize Buhkari (and, well,, Wahaabi-Salafi Barbarism in general) and not be called "Islamophobe" but if I do there's a risk I will be called an "Islamophobe"?
Probably, like you've said before, many Arabs are racist so they view alcohol as this Western thing. Like how Richard Nixon banned Heroin because he wanted to control the Africans living the United States or how Opium was banned when lots of people from the Sinosphere started going to the United States. The Arab countries probably ban Hashish because they don't like those goofy Sufis.
(April 17, 2016 at 3:13 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I don't know about westerners who turn to Wahhabism; all my experience comes from videos like the ones you share, I have to admit you introduced me to the movement in the U.K; never thought they were so widespread in the west..had my doubts but never did I see it.I think it's so that Western countries can't ban or deport them. Saudi realized that many of the "scholars" that they fund were getting banned from a lot of Western countries so they had to create some "homegrown" ones. There is a long list of big name Wahaabi-Salafis in the English speaking countries. It's also forced Wahaab-Salafis to embrace modern technology, something which they didn't want to do, because it helps to spread their messages.
As an example, Bilal Phillips was banned from Kenya so he delivers his Fascist speeches via Skype instead.
Since so many countries have banned him, when he went to Kenya before being banned he was 'forced' to fly back on a private jet because commercial airlines wouldn't take him. Islam Newsreoom reports.These are the same people that whine about how much the Ummah is suffering and they spend money on private jets. All of the money these so-called “scholars” hoard for themselves by giving incoherent speeches around the world could be used to lessen the suffering of the Ummah. But money for Dawah is apparently more important than even the Palestinians.
You should go to the UK and beat those Wahaabi-Salafi people with your intellect. Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park in London is infested with these cockroaches (many Christians there are just as awful, but the Sikhs seem to be alright I suppose). But it's not just the UK. There are all over the English and French speaking world. And now they are extending to Spanish speaking countries. They want to control our planet and will stop at nothing.
These people are so stupid, and have such small brains, that they don't even know why driving whilst drunk is a bad idea (it's dangerous but they can't work it out) and this part of their Dawah tactics. You have to, for some reason, explain to them why alcohol and driving is a bad idea because it's as if they genuinely don't know. If you look in the beginning of the video below, the man, Abass is his name, it's like he can't understand why people driving whilst drunk is bad because he can't work out that it's disrespectful to other drivers. The Quran has nothing to say about driving cars, but Abass makes it sound as though it does. Using a camel is not the same as using a car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAAaarvsUC0
(April 17, 2016 at 3:13 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: about the video though:
1-It's not very irrisponsible to reject the Hadith; I'm not rejecting what the prophet did or say; I'm rejecting "the way it was collected and documented".
It's more of a "Hadith books rejection", rather than the direct, rash accusation of me and us rejects of the Hadith of being "irrisponsible".
2-I can't interact with the dead..So I would put lots of underlines here: The prophet is dead.
3-The Quran is very obvious. I tried to go through it, and I didn't see Hadith believers fair well against the interpretation. I consider it a blessing from God, if one believe in him, God simplifies things, the Quran is simple, easy to read.
4-As for the prayer call,or let's say "the details of worships", these are inherited, just like Buddists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, and everybody else is inheriting the rituals of their worship, I believe it's the same here..
It's not like Muslims are unified in them details. "Shia" pray in a different way than Sunna, the prayer call is also different in some lines.
5-Reading history and learning from it is one thing, replacing revelation with twisted historical stories is another thing. The Hadith cannot be trusted, he speaks about the Hadith as if it was a revelation from God.
6-The rejection -as I mentioned above- is derived from lack of trust in the authors.
All good points. Nothing really to say here. The Quran has nothing to say on Hadith. People who use Hadith are admiting the Quran isn't clear isn't clear enough for them. So they need somebody to hold their hand all of the time, like a parent to their baby, whilst they read Quran.