RE: Most Humans Do NOT Have Completely Frree Will
April 18, 2016 at 7:24 pm
(This post was last modified: April 18, 2016 at 7:28 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(April 16, 2016 at 12:16 am)Irrational Wrote: I agree with you about the whole responsibility stuff, but that's another topic. My question to you is: why is not being coerced not an indicator of freedom? After all, how do you normally define freedom?
It is an indicator of freedom but it doesn't apply to the willpower. And responsibility is relevant to the topic of free will once the true conclusion that the will itself is not free is reached, which is true because to redefine "free will" itself in such a way that we can merely label it as free is not the same thing as proving that it's actually free. "free" and "will" already have perfectly good definitions and both exist but not together because the will/willpower isn't free.
Quote:Well, I'm fine with people equating God to such a spectacular magnificent thing as the universe as long as they make it clear that's what they mean by God.
Exactly. And people often don't, they just throw the word "God" around expecting people to know what they talk about and many people will assume it means the standard definition even when they just mean the universe. Same goes with "free will", it's equally misleading but far more morally significant when someone misleads matters by throwing "free will" around when all they mean is "will" and redefine it in such a way that they are redefining "will" itself to mean "free will" because the compatablist sense of "free will" is no different to merely "will" and any sense of freedom that is possible within determinism and compatabilism is so trivially true that it was never under question anyway, it's a dodge, a mistep, an equivocation and an easy answer superficially but a complete non-answer to a deeper question.
Quote:On a related note, some people experience something really deep when they're contemplating the universe, existence, and all that. And to them, that is God. In that sense, God does exist as a metaphor of some sort.
No. Not true at all. UNLESS you also concede that in a metaphorical sense when I experience something really deep when I contemplate how truly incredibly happy I am with my life and I redefine that feeling to mean "Butt-On-Top-Of-A-Magic-Shaped-Raspberry-Flavored-Shepherd-Star-Monster A.KA. "the being also known as simply "ALF"" then that means that this being exists as a metaphor of some sort for something more meaningful and deeper simply because my happiness exists as something more meaningful and deeper and I have chosen to label my happiness so retardedly ("God" is equally retarded to my label by the way, and if you disagree have a bitter cookie to nibble pleaseness-making, my friend).