(April 20, 2016 at 12:08 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Blaming westerners for ruining our region?
We raped it.
We ruined our own.
Rape rape persephone
Murder for a family..That is already dead..so so IDK
Yah, again, quoting myself:
Quote:Again Mystic: where the hell is the mention of the family of Mohammed?
Where are the 12 Imam's names, that you order me and the rest of humanity to obey??
Don't expect to get taken seriously when the information you claim DON'T EXIST.
Fine, I can understand an atheist not believing in the Quran, a Muslim not believing in Judaism, a Hindu not believing in Buddhism, but for a person, to try to enforce an information that doesn't exist in the holy book he claims it exists in on all of humanity? Mindblowing, right?
IDK..please don't dodge and waste your time writing gigantic comments, that represent big jumps around questions, in an infinite gymnastic game, that decorated the middle east for 1400 years.
I'm waiting for your answer :/
And please, just answer, without threats or reminding me that you don't want to insult me (BTW it's okay..probably I won't return the insult, not because I'm trying to be a bigger man, I actually love to insult people who insult me, but because wasting your energy on the keyboard is just not healthy. And eventually it leads to the rape of persephone. Check Iraqi news ) >< it can't be simpler than this.
I want the page and the verse that tells me to obey the family of Mohammed
Atlas, as well intended as you are, and it is great that Muslims are questioning other Muslims like this, you gave the answer as to why it is "tribal madness" away in your own answer.
That is the reason, right there, but not just why Muslims are divided, no, this is what religion does, causes divisions, and all religions have them. It's not that religion was raped, it was a bad idea in the first place. Now again, that is not saying you can end it by force, you cant.
But you should consider the times ALL religions, including prior polytheism got started in. Hinduism, Buddhism, the Ancient Greeks and Romans and the Egyptians all lived in class systems ruled by Royalty and the second class was the warrior class, then the serfs no name. And back then the mortality rate was much higher, and back then your survival as a subject of that king depended on the tribe doing what that ruler said.
Even the ancient Romans were not modern democracies, they were also ruled by immovable Cesars whom if they wanted them removed before they died, often came from political murder or family murder, not court impeachment.
"Tribal madness" has only been tamped down in the secular west, but the underpinnings are still there. We have Christians on the right who don't agree with Christians on the left. We have our right justifying harm to gays, control over female bodies, and constant claims of "Christian nation".
All holy books of Christians and Jews and Muslims are weapons and all of them are used to justify both compassion and cruelty. The only difference between the east and the west is that we have had a longer time managing our differences to a more civil degree. But believe me, I don't value the mentality of universal blanket force to any bad those in the East do and justify it with the Quran. And I run into even some atheists who value blanket solutions of force as a default. I am not one of them.
I think it is worth it for my species to consider worldwide, that it isn't enough to simply point to the pretty stories and acts of kindness, they all have them. I think the bigger picture is to consider that our ability to be cruel or compassionate is not in the holy writing itself, but our evolution that we project into those writings and mistake it as the source.
But I am certainly willing to concede an imperfect word and as long as you at least insist your own label, and I mean all religions, reduce any and all as much as possible, on all sides, the excuse to pick up a book and justify violence with it, it certainly is far better than a "scorched earth" policy. I don't remember who said it, but "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".
