(April 21, 2016 at 2:05 am)AJW333 Wrote: Nope. I simply think that without the lobbying from a 3% minority group, the designation of homosexuality as disordered would have remained.
Except that this is another one of those cases where even a cursory amount of research into what you're talking about proves you wrong: the designation was changed because of empirical data stemming from the works of Kinsey and Evelyn Hooker, in addition to numerous studies across a wide variety of psychological tests that showed that homosexual individuals did not significantly deviate from heterosexual individuals in their ability to function. The designation was changed because of evidence and testing, not lobbying. You just pulled that out of your ass.
Quote:I never said that all violence is carried out by the irreligious. I would hold to the view that most violence is carried out by them because serious Christians know that they are not supposed to act in this way.
If all you've got is a No True Christian fallacy, then you do not have anything. I'm not going to sit here and play self serving definitional games with you, about people you cannot possibly know well enough to make informed decisions about.
Quote:Do you have any figures supporting your view that the Church is responsible for violence against the LGBT community? What research can you produce showing that the Church is conducting a "war" against such people? I did find an interesting article on violence against the transgendered but it made no mention of the Church. It looked at secular institutions and their role in sins of commission and omission.
So, you've got a Pope comparing trans people to nuclear weapons, you've got christian and conservative pundits left and right lining up to talk about "men in dresses" and the danger they pose, and you need more evidence?
Rhetorical flourishes aside, you're being overly simplistic and a tad misleading here, since it's my position that anti-trans sentiment stems largely from outmoded ideas of gender promulgated by your religion, not that the church is literally organizing violence against them. I know fleeing to this position is the only way to avoid accountability for you, but that's not what I'm saying: my position is one of memetics, not overt hectoring.
Incidentally, your study doesn't look at "secular" organizations, it looks at genres of organizations that people come into contact with regularly, like schools, hospitals and so on. Last I checked, religious schools and hospitals exist in Australia too.
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