(April 22, 2016 at 2:18 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(April 22, 2016 at 1:49 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: You're 100% missing the point, here, in this little diversion subtopic.*emphasis mine*
What we're trying to tell you is that there is in fact a difference between the biological sex (penis/vagina), based on the chromosomes the person inherited, and the way their brain develops during the time after conception/birth, such that a measurable difference exists in fMRI scans of trans persons' brains (incredibly, lining up with what they're claiming).
For you to then point at their penis and say, "No! You belong where I say, not where you say!" is to deny exactly what they are, and impose instead upon them your own ideas of the social order. You use things like imaginary rapists and other threats to impose this view upon them, such that they cannot use the restroom because of the very penis they (sometimes/usually) hate and wish to have removed.
You really, honestly can't see how imposing your ideas about their identity upon them isn't bigotry?
You really, honestly can't understand how ignoring their own claims of identity in favor of your presuppositions about them isn't bigotry?
Really?
Then explain how Bruce Jenner becoming a woman but still being attracted to women works?
You can detect differences in the brains of people with Schizophrenia also, but we don't accept their behavior as normal.
So what about people that identify as christian, is it bigotry not to accept their claims?
*sigh* You insist on (deliberately?) failing to grasp every single element of what being a trans person means.
It is unrelated to their sexuality, or sexual attractions.
And your "schizophrenia" comment is WAY, WAY off the mark. When we say "detect differences", I refer to the fact that the ones claiming to identify as women show brain-characteristics indicative of a female brain-activity (on the aforementioned fMRI scans), rather than the male type. For your analogy to work, it would mean that schizophrenics were claiming to see things, we tell them they're not really, and then the fMRI scans show that their brains really are doing what they claim they're doing... but you tell them they're still full of shit.
Yes, it would be bigotry if you told me you were a Christian and I told you that you really weren't because reasons.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
