Parents not taking there crying child outside at a restaurant or store

[Brian37]

Nothing is all or nothing. 

No it is not your fault someone else had sex and made a baby, but that does not mean those who do have them should be excluded from society always.
I don't want kids, and like you I don't like being around screaming kids or babies. But our species would not be here, you wouldn't be here, and neither would I if our parents didn't have sex. I get it, but still it's not either or, but "It depends".It depends, I think any smart business owner is going to have a protocol to accommodate a diverse customers.


Single parents don't always have someone to care for their baby/kid, and middle class and working poor especially cant or dont have the money to have someone watch their kid. Not every venue is the Ritz or a college library. And if you go into a McDonalds which is family targeted sorry, you are SOL. 

You are right, they are not the center of the planet because they have kids, but you are also not the center of the planet because you dont. So each situation has to be case by case.  IT DEPENDS on context of situation.

Brian, I like you.  You're clearly intelligent, you express yourself well and have a terrific sense of humour, and you're a much better than average poet.  But you have the god-DAMNED-est habit of reading into posts things no one ever put there.

Nothing is all or nothing.

Who said it was?

No it is not your fault someone else had sex and made a baby, but that does not mean those who do have them should be excluded from society always.

When did I say that ANYone should be excluded from society?  Expecting a manager to deal with a situation that is clearly disturbing other patrons hardly counts as 'exclusion'.  People in restaurants, cinemas, or other public venues - whether child or adult - should be well-behaved and not cause a ruction.  

It depends, I think any smart business owner is going to have a protocol to accommodate a diverse customers.

I agree completely, and part of that protocol should be that if a child is behaving in such a manner as to disturb other patrons and the patents don't correct the situation, it is incumbent upon the management to step in.

Single parents don't always have someone to care for their baby/kid, and middle class and working poor especially cant or dont have the money to have someone watch their kid.

Again, I don't disagree, and I've never said that parents shouldn't bring small children into public venues.  As I said, I actively like children.  Well-behaved children are an utter delight, but they're not the issue.  And yes, I grasp the fact that a child can throw a tantrum.  I'm not asking children to NOT act like children, I'm asking that parents be mindful of the fact that other people neither want nor should be subjected to the behaviour of an unruly child.

Not every venue is the Ritz or a college library.

Perfectly true - not every venue is kid-friendly, and parents should know better than to bring ill-behaved children into certain places.

And if you go into a McDonalds which is family targeted sorry, you are SOL.

I don't go into McDonald's, but I take your point.  It would be as wrong of me to complain about unruly children there as it would be for parents to allow their kids to run wild at The White Lion.

You are right, they are not the center of the planet because they have kids, but you are also not the center of the planet because you dont. So each situation has to be case by case.  IT DEPENDS on context of situation.

You seem to be accusing me of making a blanket assertion that ALL kids should be banned from ALL adult venues.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  But when I'm paying $300 for supper-for-two, I have a right to eat it without a two-years old at the next table shrieking like the Last Trump because his water glass is the wrong shape.

I don't CARE how kids act at McDonald's, or the park or the zoo or the playground or the beach.  What I DO care about  is when I'm at a grown-up place for grown-ups and neither parents nor management will do anything to manage a disturbance (any disturbance) that keeps me from enjoying myself.

Hope this clears it up.

Boru

Don't you dare tell me I read too much into everything. THERE WAS A THIRD MAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL AND OBAMA KILLED THE DINOSAURS! And if you play Dancing Queen backwards, you can hear Tinky Winky and Jerry Falwell making out. IT IS TRUE, Alex Jones said so!

Seems that we are not far off at all. If the venue is intended to be quiet and adult, yea. But even then people have kids and even the middle class and working poor also deserve access to those adult venues. So it still is a balance and still depends. Be flexible.