Problems understanding naturalistically the beginning of the universe

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Wry,

Are you trying to convince us that you are right?  Honestly, why are you here?  Please understand that you will likely never persuade an atheist that God exists by using the bible.  So...what is your angle here?

I often wonder why they come here to debate. I mean, as you well know I'm up for a good debate, but why that?

You only ever see them on threads attacking science [Edit to Add: which I find odd, since most of the scientists I've known in my career and personal life have been Christians], telling us false information about ourselves (because their pastors and religious-book writers lied to them, I think, and not because they see themselves as lying), and making terrible and illogical claims that they are so certain are sound that they don't even listen to us explaining why they're leaps of (il)logic.

What I never see is Christians who visit the "shit that happened to me because people are bigoted against atheists" threads, or looking at our talk of personal/life problems, or where we talk about our favorite cars (etc.) for social purposes. That tells me they are not interested in us as people, but as objects-- unfortunately, as objects they can misrepresent in their own minds to justify the way they speak to us, most of the time.

I will give credit where it is due; we have a Muslim and a few Christian posters I've seen really treating us like people, wanting to share in our human experience, and willing to see that while freedom from religion is what makes an atheist, our humanity is otherwise the same as theirs.