RE: Christian answering questions.
May 3, 2016 at 4:34 pm
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2016 at 4:51 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(May 3, 2016 at 4:22 pm)Godschild Wrote: You don't have to answer my questions, but when you don't I will know the depth of your biblical ignorance. God revealed Himself through Jesus two thousand years ago and most that met Him didn't believe, especially the religious leadership, so what does that say about you. A man walks up to you on the street and says I'm God, you wanted to meet Me here I Am. He does a miracle and then leaves. Your thought, a crazed magician, right, so what's the use. God said nature will be the answer for those that want proof, you deny His proof you suffer the consequences.
You call it an "argument from ignorance" yet science hasn't explained, let lone give proof of where the material came from for the big bang. If science can't explain this with certainty then everything after it fails. Let's take new stars forming, no one has ever seen it happen because of the years science says it takes for this to happen, and the necessary things for them to develop are not present in the birth factories science claims to be their origin.
GC
"Everything after it fails" ... um, wut?
If we can't explain what happened before time began (as a dimension, part and parcel of the post-Bang expansion), then we can't explain what happened after time began??? That makes zero sense. We can't tell what happened "before" because the laws of physics which we use to investigate this question break down as the time scale gets asymptotically close to zero, and we need new discoveries in mathematics to even attempt it. But to suggest that we can't use the physics we do know to investigate the phenomena we see, and draw conclusions from those investigations, is ludicrous.
Even the Answers in Genesis articles which you are paraphrasing, here, admit that star formation from gravity affecting a gas cloud can happen. They simply spin the fact that stars are not forming nearly as often now as they did at the peak, 11 billion years ago, and few stars continue to form because most of the third-generation stars are both old and stable. But if you had bothered to look, you'd find that that we can see stars forming in the past (because light travels at a predictable speed, you can "look into the past" by looking at more distant light sources) far more often than we do nowadays.
Edit to Add: Before you say some stupid shit like, "Well how do we know those stars are forming", or whatever, I would point out to you that we have a really solid grasp on Atomic Theory, including why nuclear fusion occurs, and how. We can tell from the radio frequencies emitted by distant stars what elements they are reacting, how hot the reaction is burning, and many other points of information. From that, we can tell the age of the star, how long it will burn, and even calculate what percentages of heavy elements will form-- it takes a supernova, not just a regular nova, to produce some of the heavier elements like uranium (anything beyond iron, if I recall correctly). These are mathematically demonstrable by any third-year student studying nuclear or chemical engineering, physics, and/or astronomy.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.