(May 3, 2016 at 3:56 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(May 3, 2016 at 2:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: So now we're up to two years in a controlled lab, no outside influences in nature that has proven itself to be destructive to all things organic. Now all we have to do is wait another 99, 999, 998 years to see if the blood will last the required 100,000,000 years.
GC
1) I hardly think "left at room temperature" is "in a controlled lab", but whatever. They were studying a phenomenon, to see if their ideas were valid. It's called an experiment (testing a hypothesis), and is part of how science works. Where else would you have had them conduct that experiment?
Put bones in the ground and wait to see what happens, that's what happened to the T-Rex wasn't it. It wasn't set on a self and protected from nature. What I was actually referring to was the preparation of the experiment, the T-Rex didn't have that advantage to preserve his red blood cells, what happens in a lab is man made not a natural process, you may say it mimics the process but mimic doesn't replace the real process in nature.
TRS Wrote:2) You clearly have not bothered to read anything about what Schweitzer and her crew found. They demonstrated a mechanism by which the cells could last, preserved enough for the DNA to be partially protected until the slow process of fossilization could finish protecting them from degradation.
Tell me why is this process not present in all other T-Rex. Was this one special for some reason?
TRS Wrote:3) The experiment was directed at demonstrating that it's possible for a natural action to protect against nature's "destructive to all elements" tendency, and it did so. The discovery was shocking, because we all thought what you apparently still think, that it's impossible for tissues to be preserved for that long... but when new evidence was discovered, they investigated to figure out why/how it happens, and we updated our knowledge. That's also how science works. You should try updating your knowledge, some time. It's refreshing.
The experiment isn't done for another 99 million years and out in nature. I use to do taxidermy and to clean skulls and other bones I wanted to keep I put them in the wood behind me and in two weeks the little critters that are there for cleaning up dead things would completely clean a skull, nothing left, I mean nothing. If I hadn't protected them with a cage the larger critters would have eaten the bones for calcium, nature is destructive for a reason, it's a cleaning and reclaiming process not a preservation process.
TRS Wrote:Finally, how dare you say I was never a Christian? I certainly thought I was, as you do. I certainly believed and practiced (most of) the things you believe and practice. I proclaimed Jesus as my Lord and Savior, studied the Bible fervently, prayed constantly, and in all other ways endeavored to obey what I believed to be the desires of God. Is it really that incomprehensible to you that a person can change their mind, given new information they did not previously have? Perhaps so... you've demonstrated an astounding (to me, anyway) degree of thick-headedness when confronted with new information. The only difference between my Christianity and yours is that it did not successfully insulate me from learning.
You weren't, a Christian is a believer in the Christ and one want ever leave what they know to be so awesome, if you were a Christian you would have had a living relationship with Christ and would never been able to deny Him. This is biblical requirement of being a Christian, so unless you are still a believer and hiding it you were never a Christian. I know I'm a Christian, I would never give up what I know as the truth from the One who promised to reveal it to me. I also noticed you said you thought you were a Christian, I read doubt in that statement, I also noticed you never mentioned having a personal relationship with Christ. What new information could there be when if you were a Christian, Christ would have given you truth that no one could refute, what you are calling "thick headed" about me is the result of the revelation of Christ's truth in my life. So don't be astounded, be curious as to why I have stood strong on this site for six plus years and getting stronger all the time. Christianity hasn't insulated me from learning nor questioning God about certain things, I studied and still do to learn and I question to learn and all the new information I have obtained still strengthen me.
My only real challenge to science is that which deny's creation, why, because it's only speculation as to the beginning and many very intelligent Christian scientist have given counter evidence to main stream science and it's rejected and refused to be published to squash anything counter to much of unproven science on the universe. I out right reject evolution because the science behind it is flawed and opinionated and the scientist refuse to consider other ideas and thought's. I listen to the objections to God and His word and have shown many times on this site how wrong atheist have been about scripture verses and ideas, you trust in science, I trust in the Creator who knows the truth.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.