Nothing is everything.

[Violet]

This is why I don't get to heavily into Philosophy. No Offense.

None taken, though I wonder why you would posting on a philosophical topic in that case I mean i hate discussing religion... so I opt to not.

Anyone (and I really mean EVERYone has) can take a cliche and turn it into some "deep intellectual philosophy" by reversing the pro and the con of said-cliche and than tacking it onto the end just to hear people say, "wow, you're right that's soooo thought provoking." When in reality it really isn't - it's just masturbatory musings for those who gain gratification by making others believe that they are of a higher station and intellect.

It's a cliche to tell you that nothing is a thing? And here I thought I was the one that first stated such a lofty thing. At the least... i do not recall reading of someone who said the same until lilphil (whom honestly stated my position better than I).

I have no precise understanding of what you mean by 'by reversing the pro and con of said-cliche and....', but I hardly expect it to have been intended flatteringly.

Examples:
Sometimes when you win you really lose and sometimes when you lose you really win.
The absence of all things is the aquiring of all things.
To gain wisdom you must first know that you are a fool.
To know great love you must first understand great pain for great pain is found in ultimate love.

The first example is somewhat applicable. In example: I won a million dollars and lost my husband that hates money with all his heart.

The second is only true if all things are nothing.

To gain wisdom you must indeed first recognize that you are a fool. Else you are arrogant. And the arrogant have wisdom like an empty glass has water.

Statements with 'ultimate' in them make me queasy. Ie: death is the ultimate peace. Really, ultimate is an unnecessary flavor word. Death is peace. However, pain is unrelated to love (entirely) in my understanding.

BLAH BLAH BLAH ... There's thousands of these stupid things and all the rediculous math calculations in the world will not give them any more meaning than what the persons hearing it reads into it. What's even better is that because these little philosophical ramblings cannot ever be truly defined - the author or speaker can claim at any point that your are inferior and do not have it within your mind to comprehend existencialisms.

Capitalized expressions of not caring to read a thing is really impressive when responding to it. It's rather a downer that either turns one off of reading what you wrote (as you didn't respect what they said, why should they respect what you say?), or at the least deteriorates someone's mood. Nonetheless, I'll read it... but you should realize that you will often receive a colored response for such.

Truly defined? It is not enough that it is defined... it must be truly defined now? Next thing we know you'll be declaring definitions to be objective and pointing us to a subjective dictionary to prove this

If it pleases you, I will say that I highly doubt that someone who regards philosophy as nonsense understands the basic concept of subjectivity. However, I will stop short of insulting your worth and of suggesting that you cannot comprehend a thing which you currently do not.

and that's my problem with philosophy ... it never offers conclusions, and most often it only raises absurdities that can never be answered because in truth, the were never meant to be answered.

Because the reason we read a book is to find out the ending?

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So your position is that E=N if E=N, and E=E+N otherwise?

Yes, and it was from the start. However, I apparently suffer from being unable to eloquently state my position.

This would be funny (of me) if it wasn't sad