RE: Dr. Craig is a liar.
May 14, 2016 at 9:27 am
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2016 at 9:43 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 14, 2016 at 8:45 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You are making the argument, that there can be no change, outside of time. If this is true, and their was a beginning of time, then we would be in the same state as that point. Time could have never began, because your argument doesn't allow for any change.RR, I've made no such argument, nor do I care to. My position on the origin of our universe (and all the various considerations that might entail)is that I don't know....and neither do you. That's my position, that's the argument I would make. All this bullshit about time and change is just straw that you find easier to address than anything I might say to you.
I've explicitly mentioned...more than once, that I see no need to argue against any portion of the KCA. It doesn't get us to a god. That I point to deficiencies in the relationships between the statements you use to support your acceptance of the KCA on it's own or as an argument for a god does not mean that I'm making any argument, to or for, any other thing "x".
This is a common mistake apologists on this site make. They think that if a person brings up some possibility or proposition that the other has not thoroughly eliminated..they must be arguing for the truth of that position. For example..If you told me that chocolate was the best flavor of ice cream in the world...and I suggested that you had not eliminated vanilla as a candidate for that title...it doesn;t actually mean that I think vanilla is the best flavor of icecream in the world. I'm only pointing out that you have not done what needs be done to support the claim that's been made.
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