RE: Most personally convincing reasons you don't believe.
May 16, 2016 at 7:15 pm
(This post was last modified: May 16, 2016 at 7:37 pm by Angrboda.)
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:(May 13, 2016 at 4:35 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You don't teach 'biblically based' Christianity, you teach Drich based self-idolatry. You are so in love with your own vision of things that you can't possibly imagine yourself being wrong. That's love of self, not love of God.I've been wrong most of my life. I know what wrong is, and I know that even now I know I do not know everything. However for me like anyone else there is grace to fill in the gaps.
We don't have to be 100% right to find this grace, we need only to know and follow Christ. The only think I am trying to communicate above and beyond anyother salvation message is a direct line between those who need 'proof' and God. In that 'proof' via the Holy Spirit is possible, but only if we humble ourselves and approach on his terms.
Not saying this has to be done in front of me a church nor anyone else. This is a measure that can be doone simply between you and God right now.
If that to you is wrong, then I am glad to be wrong.
You keep saying such things, but the only thing you have backing them is your own rather fallible interpretation of your life history. A history, I might add, that you have no compulsion from changing at whim. I've documented in the past how your stories change with each telling. You're selling a bill of goods which is half imagination and reinterpreted memory. So don't play the old 'humble me' card. That type of dissonance springs from deep desires, and yours have precious little to do with God.
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:Quote:The bible has as many meanings as there are interpreters. The emphasis being that the meaning takes on the coloring of the interpreter's willing. You don't read the bible, you read your own personal version of it, and you idolize that version! You have the naivety of a school boy who thinks the meaning is all in the words and not in the reader reading them. This is the view of a simpleton without the skills to appreciate what the text might be saying. All you see in the bible is stuff that you in your ignorance put into your reading. Again, that's self love, not love of God. You talk about humility before God, yet everyone can see that you know nothing of humility.-Or perhaps you do not understand what it means to be humble before God and yet boldly exclaim his message, His truth. We have been tasked to do this very thing. Did Jesus follow your version of Humility when he challenged the religious leaders of His day? Was He your version of Humble when He called them Snakes, vipers, fools, Hypocrits? Was He 'humbled' when he chased out the money changers with a cord of whips? Did He show humility when he taught the religious leaders as a Child on the temple steps?
Way to miss the point. The point is that you construct the bible half out of your own imagination. You claim that you experienced a hell that consisted of privation from God, and then later learned that this 'is what the bible teaches'. There are multiple schools of thought on what exactly the bible teaches about hell. You simply chose the one which conformed to your prior belief. Or would you like to provide chapter and verse to back up your interpretation.
Quote:The word the Bible uses to describe a burning hell—Gehenna—comes from an actual burning place, the valley of Gehenna adjacent to Jerusalem on the south. Gehenna is an English transliteration of the Greek form of an Aramaic word, which is derived from the Hebrew phrase “the Valley of (the son[s] of) Hinnom.” In one of their greatest apostasies, the Jews (especially under kings Ahaz and Manasseh) passed their children through the fires in sacrifice to the god Molech in that very valley (2 Kings 16:3; 2 Chronicles 33:6; Jeremiah 32:35). Eventually, the Jews considered that location to be ritually unclean (2 Kings 23:10), and they defiled it all the more by casting the bodies of criminals into its smoldering heaps. In Jesus’ time this was a place of constant fire, but more so, it was a refuse heap, the last stop for all items judged by men to be worthless.
http://www.gotquestions.org/fire-and-brimstone.html
The word Gehenna is that used for hell in the New Testament. If hell was not meant to be likened to this burning refuse heap, then why is it used as the name of hell?
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:Jormungandr Wrote:Are you really this simple? You sold yourself on your own personal vision without reservation, and now what you're selling is your own obsession with that vision.If they/you have your own telling experience, was it me who convinced you or was it the experience?
And if half that experience is falsified in the retelling, then what exactly are you selling? You're selling your own egotistical revisioning of your life. It's nothing more than empty evangelism. You pick things from your life, dress them up, and parrot it back to those listening.
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:Quote:The reason you didn't soften your approach is because you're a jerk.seriously, define Jerk... How does my 'jerkieness' add or detract from the truth? Truth is truth no matter the source.
This from the person who embellishes his anecdotes. That's fucking funny. You aren't in a position to say what is and isn't truth with respect to God. You've only got your warped interpretation of the bible.
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:Quote: Quit trying to depersonalize the situation. No wonder you can love yourself so much, if you never own up to any of the bad. I've seen you rationalize away the arrogance of your behavior countless times. You have even compared yourself to Paul in attempting to excuse your lack of humility.Now Jesus. Point being there is strong biblical precedent to the way I work, even if it flys in the face of conventional traditional 'Christian' stereotypes. Which if those conventional methods worked with you guys none of us would be here, would we?
The haughty never find fault in themselves.
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:Quote:You can't offer what you don't have.And in turn I can if I do.
Har har. You're claiming to have the path to salvation. That's a boastful claim when you can't even prove the truth of the bible which you claim to rest your belief upon. Care to tell us why we should believe the bible at all, much less your version of it?
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:Quote: All you have is a twisted misunderstanding of the bible and a bunch of confirmation bias, accompanied by a heaping helping of self idolatry.Can you demonstrate this, or have you been reduced to empty name calling?
I've pointed out errors in your exegesis in the past. Your Genesis day 3 being a prime example. You are so blinded by your own confidence in your version that you completely ignored what was plainly written in the text. It's like you're in a frenzy in which the only words you hear are your own. Don't bother protesting if you're incapable of actually examining the evidence.
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:Quote: You're the last person that someone should turn to for answers.Why? because I don't fit your mold? Your specific idea of how answers should be given? If I did that then wouldn't you have topical counters to everything I did and said? Or is this what your pipping up here is all about?
You can't topically destroy my answers.. So you are trying to kill the messenger with all your empty 'self idolotry talk?'
I've done that in the past. You get to a point where you're in a trance of some sort and keep repeating your previous answers, even after they've been shown to be wrong. You are constitutionally incapable of accepting correction, so what would be the point in taking you on topically?
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote: You are a venom-less snake if you can't support your charges. Lets see some book chapter and verse that countermands what I've said about god or how I choose to bring you His message.
As if. I've already explained why talking to you about what is in the bible is pointless. But if you really want to go that route, show that, biblically, hell is not a place of corporeal suffering.
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:Quote:and a complete ignorance of how your own psychology contributes to your beliefs.IDK I seem to be swabbing the deck with the one making those charges.
Nope, no ego there. How exactly are you swabbing the deck except in your own fevered imagination?
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote:Quote:As I said, you cannot offer what you do not have, and what you have isn't truthSays what??? Your personal confirmation bias? What have you done to disprove or vet what I have said? Wish it weren't so?
Are you so foolish that you do not know you swing a double edged sword here? That everything you claim against me in my belief I can counter claim against you in your disbelief? Or is that what this is a red herring designed to take me off topic?
Patiently waiting for you to demonstrate that what is written of in the bible is truth. Until you do, the only backing you have for the truth of A/S/K is your own revisionist history. By the way, why do you abbreviate it as A/S/K when the order of events in the story is SEEK, then KNOCK, then ASK?
Matter of fact, Jesus doesn't even mention 'knocking' in the parable. Only that by being a pest you will get what you have sought.
Quote:5 Then Jesus said to them, “Suppose you have a friend, and you go to him at midnight and say, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves of bread; 6 a friend of mine on a journey has come to me, and I have no food to offer him.’ 7 And suppose the one inside answers, ‘Don’t bother me. The door is already locked, and my children and I are in bed. I can’t get up and give you anything.’ 8 I tell you, even though he will not get up and give you the bread because of friendship, yet because of your shameless audacity[a] he will surely get up and give you as much as you need.
Luke 11:5-13
(May 16, 2016 at 11:15 am)Drich Wrote: It does not have an impact because I know it's your job, and I anticipate push back from those who don't want me walking down this path.
Check your martyr card at the door. The path you are walking down is filled with self-deceit. There's good reason you should be opposed. You know only the Siren's song. Your path is not what you are advertising here. Your 'path', such as it is, exists only in your imagination. I debate with you also to show others your flaws, of which you are wholly ignorant.
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