RE: Does Jesus Mythicism give atheism a bad name?
May 19, 2016 at 10:28 am
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2016 at 10:31 am by Aractus.)
(May 19, 2016 at 7:25 am)Rhythm Wrote: My ill-informed view that non-conformity is "less-than-beneficial"..or my ill informed view that christians are more than willing to go out of their way to make life shitty for out-groups?
While we're at it, let's recall that you proposed these "benefits"........ as a reason that people were christian...."purely from a physics POV"....so..my ill-informed view that you're full of shit on every possible level?
Your labelling of "conformity" for one thing is not what I would expect to hear from a critically-minded person. When you drive on the road do you conform to the road rules or decide to be a non-conformist? How about respect for law and order - do you want to be a non-conformist and possibly end up in prison? You seem to latch onto a single negative and then refuse to see anything positive.
Now, let me explain something. I have you at a disadvantage here because I'm actually very well aware of how difficult it is for people who find it very hard to conform to social norms - even highly intelligent and well educated people - if they cannot conform to social norms they can actually become unemployable, which leads to long-term unemployment, and further negatives from there. There is a certain level of conformity that we all need to have in order just to be able to participate in society, and those who can't (and there are people who can't, even intelligent people) find themselves in the unfortunate situation that I just described.
Again, your views are not consistent with the peer-review literature.
Here's a Level 1 study that reads "Discussion of religion and/or spirituality in the medical consultation is desired by patients and known to be beneficial."
Here's another (Level 1, listed in MEDLINE), it reads: "The findings highlight the benefits of spirituality and religion on health outcomes. ... Spirituality and religion appear to slow cognitive decline, and help people use coping strategies to deal their disease and have a better quality of life."
Here's another Level 1 study listed in MEDLINE: "Among the 43 publications that met these criteria, thirty-one (72.1 %) found a relationship between level of religious/spiritual involvement and less mental disorder (positive), eight (18.6 %) found mixed results (positive and negative), and two (4.7 %) reported more mental disorder (negative). All studies on dementia, suicide, and stress-related disorders found a positive association, as well as 79 and 67 % of the papers on depression and substance abuse, respectively. In contrast, findings from the few studies in schizophrenia were mixed, and in bipolar disorder, indicated no association or a negative one. There is good evidence that religious involvement is correlated with better mental health in the areas of depression, substance abuse, and suicide; some evidence in stress-related disorders and dementia; insufficient evidence in bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, and no data in many other mental disorders."And the list continues. You'll find plenty more systematic reviews done on different areas of health, some find no correlation between the outcome measure and religion, some find positively for religion (as I've cited above), and none find negatively for religion (well none that I've seen anyway). Religious practise is consistently associated with better health outcomes and arguing otherwise is like arguing that tobacco isn't associated with lung cancer.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke



