NC Gov on the wrong side of history......

[A Theist]

I believe we're talking about two different things here. You're addressing the NC law. I'm talking about, if Loretta Lynch and Barrack have their way, to get laws passed that allows transgenders and others to use bathrooms of the sex they say they identify with, there'll be nothing to restrain voyeurs or sexual predators from using the public restrooms they want. You say it's happening now and that the NC law won't change anything. You're full of shit. I don't believe it's happening as much now as you claim it is, rarely maybe, but not even close to the scale as you blow it up to be. As things stand now, do you actually think that some mother isn't going to go to an establishment's management and tell them that there's a man leering in the women's bathroom and that the predator or voyeur won't be escorted out by security? Your leftist ideology is blind and naïve. Your thinking's fucked up.

Have you even bothered to do a Google search, yourself, to see if there's any scientific studies that disputes the studies that gays are predetermined to be gay before birth? The so-called gay gene is still eluding any scientific evidence....here's one for you to look at
https://socialinqueery.com/2013/03/18/no...asons-why/

You apparently didn't read the article. The author is claiming that sexuality is more complex than just the genes, and that most people are bisexual but make choices about which "side" to play for, bowing to social pressure and personal preferences... which is essentially what scientists and sociologists/psychologists have been saying since the Kinsey studies. That's why there are six numbers on the Kinsey Scale, not just two or three. [Edit to Add: The "no gay gene" argument is also ignorant as fuck... they think it's epigenetic and developmental, not just a piece of DNA, meaning it has to do with hormone balance in utero and the way it affects the "unpacking" of the DNA code... as such, it's not an A-or-B switch, but a graduated scale of several parts of our brains that control sexuality, identity, and many other functions that contribute to what we call "sexuality". Grow up and realize the world isn't black and white, especially in biology, and we shouldn't expect it to be.]

As for the whole "nothing to restrain voyeurs or predators", you're insane. Anyone (male or female) leering or doing anything else disconcerting in a bathroom can be removed by the management at the request of those being frightened by those actions. Treating trans persons like persons by prohibiting discrimination against them under law doesn't change that, even a little bit.

Your made-up fear that predators will suddenly have a new license to go after women ignores that several states have had such laws on the books for years, now, and have seen no indications whatsoever of problems resulting from that policy change. The same is true for numerous European countries who have already made this step. It also ignores that boys are preyed upon by strangers far more than girls (who tend to be most frequently molested by a family member or friend of the family), and your whole argument of "protect the women and little girls!!" skips over that little detail-- the simple fact is that child molesters are far more concerned with the vulnerability and innocence of the children than they are with the gender, as has been confirmed by numerous studies on the subject. So unless you want to ban all men from the restroom in case some predator dresses up like a normal man and just walks right in to the men's room full of vulnerable little boys, you need to stop pretending that it's really about protecting the vulnerable.

Meanwhile, trans people really are vulnerable, and being attacked and even killed for their differences. Only by denying their humanity and entire identity can you equate respecting them with some license for predators to commit crimes by mimicking them. 

As long as you keep peddling fear-mongering illusions to support/defend your bigotry, we're going to keep calling you out on it. And cut the "leftist ideology" bullshit. If respecting human beings' rights and value (even if they're different from me) makes me a "leftist ideologue", then I consider it a compliment, and pity you that you think it's an insult.

...and you either just skimmed through the article or cherry picked what you what you wanted to see...yes, he said it was a complex issue, but, he went on to say,

In the same sense, we cannot discount the possibility that in the presence of any given sexual desire—the desire to masturbate, the desire to have sex with someone of the same or opposite gender, the desire for oral sex or anal sex, etc.—the human impulse toward self-determination and sexual gratification is very powerful.  But this alone is not evidence that the particular sexual desire in question is in-born, just as religious beliefs are not in-born (no matter how deeply held or severely punished).

Then of course there is the question of how any sexual desire forms in the first place. Like many others, I have taken the position that “sexual orientations” are formed after we are born, sometimes in early childhood and sometimes later.  The possibilities for how this happens, like the possibilities that can lead people to any number of erotic tastes or distastes, are nearly endless.  Good experiences, bad experiences, unconscious experiences, willful defiance, and happy conformity are all potential parts of this story.  The fact that some people don’t have a coherent story about all of the social, cultural, and psychological factors that produced their particular complex of sexual feelings simply does not mean they were born with those feelings already intact.

Yes. You are a naive leftist ideologue living in a dream world.