Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god

[Blueyedlion]

Whateverist the White

There's no such thing as a 'wrong belief' because the universe is not objective, only collective based on the contribution of subjective experience.

If that is supposed to be an objective fact, you've just contradicted yourself.

It's not supposed to be an objective fact, i never once said or implied it was, that was you assuming. There is no such thing as an objective fact, objectivity doesn't exist. All facts are based on purely subjective experiences. When i say, there is no right or wrong, you are then interpreting that is some universal truth. A truth has to be a positive claim. I'm simply showing what doesn't exist, revealing what's left. The concept that everything universally is subjective is still not an objective truth.

Because you still need to realize that every individual experience in trapped within the bounds of that experience, no one thing can talk for anyone else then them. For two people have to be experiencing the exact same thing that is the same experience of a fact, in order for it to be actually objective. You need an to have an exact copy of you with all your memories interpreting as you would, in the exact same way you already are, standing in place where you already are having the exact same experience - that is then an objective experience. The facts of both experience are now objective.

Since that's not happening anytime this week, the only truth is yours and yours alone. A collective subjective experience is just an agreement that many subjective experiences are very similar to each other.

And on top of everything else, belief isn't a choice.

Then why are you trying to convince us of these things if you don't think what we believe is even our choice?

That wasnt my quote...Mister Agenda wrote that.

The universe exists in all moments of time, past, present and future. And the universe exists throughout everywhere of all that is and can be.

Breathtakingly absurd.

Actually, every moment of time already exists according to science. And then there's the multiverse hypothesis that claims there is as many universes as there are say atoms in our universe. So many universes that could in any and all ways eventuate, has, is and will already exist in some state. That's out of the field of science.  

So your remark is based what you think is logical without even considering science may be saying the exact same thing as me, simply because it comes out of the mind of a god believer it must be crazy. Turns out you are not within your right to tell anyone what is absurd since you're now officially calling a fact of science 'breathtakingly absurd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v99-S4_IvVg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTrU-0jEpgY

So, what ever you believe and don't believe, is a product of the universe - not some fabrication.

Are you feeling alright?

So you think what you imagine isnt real, that was your mind is manifesting is an illusion? or in other words your consciousness is an illusion?

So since you can imagine, that is a property that has always existed in some form in the universe. Nothing is new, only the varied expression of the same thing. Which logic would then dictate that consciousness has always existed.

Not that you're making any sense but, whatever it is you have in mind, so fucking what?

Well unless you missed it the first time, i made the point that logically everything that exists of the universe has always existed in some varied form. So consciousnesses being as much a property of the cosmos as everything else, implies it has had it's beginnings in the universes inception. So consciousness has always existed just like gravity and the weak and strong forces have.