RE: Even if you choose not to believe in god, you’re actually believing in god
May 29, 2016 at 1:29 pm
(May 29, 2016 at 6:58 am)Blueyedlion Wrote:Quote:Whateverist the White
If that is supposed to be an objective fact, you've just contradicted yourself.
It's not supposed to be an objective fact, i never once said or implied it was, that was you assuming. There is no such thing as an objective fact, objectivity doesn't exist. All facts are based on purely subjective experiences. When i say, there is no right or wrong, you are then interpreting that is some universal truth. A truth has to be a positive claim. I'm simply showing what doesn't exist, revealing what's left. The concept that everything universally is subjective is still not an objective truth.
Because you still need to realize that every individual experience in trapped within the bounds of that experience, no one thing can talk for anyone else then them. For two people have to be experiencing the exact same thing that is the same experience of a fact, in order for it to be actually objective. You need an to have an exact copy of you with all your memories interpreting as you would, in the exact same way you already are, standing in place where you already are having the exact same experience - that is then an objective experience. The facts of both experience are now objective.
Since that's not happening anytime this week, the only truth is yours and yours alone. A collective subjective experience is just an agreement that many subjective experiences are very similar to each other.
That's not what objective means. An objective fact is something that is true independent of individual attitudes. Nothing about it being a conjunction of experiences. You seem to like taking old words and giving them new, personal meaning. Your truths truly are subjective in that they're only true for you.